Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma
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    Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    Hello all,

    I was very excited when I found this ladies 1930s jump-hour Cyma. I've seen a few ladies covered deco jump-hour pieces but none with a design like this with the sub seconds dial. The seller claims it's a new old stock (NOS), never used and you can even see some sort of tag in one of the pictures.

    However, and this is the big however, the movement is completely blank. It's not signed Cyma, doesn't have a 'swiss made' or the number of jewels on it. And all other Cyma's of the period I've seen are signed and have different kinds of hallmarks. The seller claims not all manufacturers signed their movements at the time and that to his knowledge the movement isn't from another manufacturer. Any opinions? And if it's not Cyma, what could this blank movement be? And does this mean I should be weary about the dial being original as well? Below are some pictures of the watch:

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    And here's a Cyma caliber 354, which was used on some ladies models from the 30s, for comparison.

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    Thanks in advance for any insights!
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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    Never seen a Cyma movement without any sign.

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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    Wow yes, it does look like it doesn't it? I know Peseux made other similar jump hour pieces at the time, and I think might've had a patent out on them? Anyway, it seems like that's what it is from the pic. Thanks for the find!

    I thought Cyma made their movements in-house though, or was that not always the case even in the early 30s?

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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    The jump modules tend to sit under the dial. Perhaps it was easier to buy in the whole calibre than modify an in house one. On the other hand it could be a redial though I don't see why it would have changed manufacturer.


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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirius View Post
    On the other hand it could be a redial though I don't see why it would have changed manufacturer.
    Because a Cyma would have been priced higher than a watch from a brand no one's ever heard of...
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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    Because a Cyma would have been priced higher than a watch from a brand no one's ever heard of...
    ...and the seller has a lot of redialed watches on sale...

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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    Got a link to the other watches from this seller? Let's have a look at how the listings are formulated, this usually tends to say a lot about the risk of running into a redial.

    EDIT: Just found it. 2050 EURO?! No. Just, no. It's not even a rip-off- it's madness. But what it most certainly is, it's a bad deal, with authenticity at least questionable.
    New old stock? New old schlock, that sounds more like it.
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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    I certainly don't believe that it is an original dial, and therefore, probably not a Cyma.
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    Re: Help identifying movement on rare jump-hour Cyma

    I can't link to the site, post count too low... but the name of the seller is Gisbert A. Joseph (shop.joseph-watchesdotcom) All Cyma models except the two jump hour ones have pictures of signed calibers. But I can't tell if they're redials... I'm really very new to this. The seller of course insists they're new old stock, as is written on the site, and gives that as the reason for the high pricing.

    The price is outrageous no question, but I thought the chances of a redial were lower if it was Cyma, I mean compared to the number of ppl out there doing redials of JLC, Omega & Rolex. *sigh* finding a good vintage is much harder than I thought. Thank god for these forums.

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