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    Help identifying an Omega

    Hi there im new to the forum and wanted to say hello. Ive been a visitor for while now but as my interest for watches is growing rapidly i thought i should join up! I have been interested in watches for a long time and my friends all know this and this is where i ask you for a favour my friend approached me and asked if i knew anything about the watch (pictured) as it had been left to him by his Grandad. He said that he knew omega was a good brand and thought he should get it valued. So he took it to a local jewellers and he said that it was only worth about £50 and did he want to sell it. He also said that the bracelet wasn't original and so removed it because it was rubbish. Now I'm no expert but that seems a little low even if the bracelet wasn't original. The watch is now on a black Hirsch leather strap. The only other problem is that his Grandad's name is engraved on the caseback.
    Could anyone help identify and roughly put a value on this watch?

    Thanks in advance, GR
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    We have a rule to not discuss values here.
    But this is different situation.
    The jeweller is a crook. The actual value is several times bigger.
    You can get the idea about value on ebay, "SOLD" listings.

    Did that "jeweller" take the bracelet for himself??
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    Welcome to the forum!
    That's why you should never go to a jeweller, unless you want to fix a silver or gold watch case, or fix a bent lug in a plated case. In case of watches, visit a watchmaker- and make sure it's not a battery-swapper at a shopping centre.

    I would consider 50 quid for that one hell of a bargain at a flea market- but it looks like the jeweller just wanted to buy it for nothing and sell it big. Valuations are not allowed in this forum- there is a sticky regarding valuations, where it is explained, why are they not allowed in here.

    I'm not sure if any Omega dial in the 1950s or the 1960s would have a "Chronometer"-only inscription, without the "Officially certified" line. Without having a closer look at the dial, and especially- without a closer look at the movement and checking the reference number found on the inner side of the case back, there is not much to be said, I'm afraid. Once your friend opens up the watch and takes pictures, identifying the watch will be easy. Moreover, you'll then be able to search completed eBay listings for similar watches in order to see what sort of money they usually sell for, and calculate an average based on watches in a similar condition.

    If he can't open the watch by himself, a good watchmaker will do that for free.

    Why is his grandfather's name engraved on the watch a problem? What I- and probably everyone around here- would say, is that an engraved heirloom watch is an absolute treasure, and- as heirloom- is a priceless thing to keep.

    If the watch is on a black leather strap, then I must say that that's a good thing- it probably looks much better than on that bracelet.
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    As laikrodukas said, the jeweler is a crook. Assuming everything is correct inside, that value was laughably low. If the the jeweler kept the bracelet, I would get it back, pronto.

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    Re: Help identifying an Omega

    Looks like a 1950s heavy set Seamaster case? A picture of the back would be helpful.

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    Thanks too everyone for the replies. I will get the watch off him and take some photos of the back and inside. I'm not sure what the jeweller did with the strap but it was my fear that he had robbed it for himself. What i thought about the engraving is that it would reduce the value of the watch.

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    Re: Help identifying an Omega

    I have similar 1937 omega bumper with 351 movement. It has "chronometre" on the dial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lennyt11421 View Post
    I have similar 1937 omega bumper with 351 movement. It has "chronometre" on the dial.
    Cal. 351? Then it can't be from 1937- the 28.10RA PC was introduced in 1943, and renamed as cal.351 in 1949. Discontinued in 1952. The last movement of that family was discontinued in 1955.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme R View Post
    Thanks too everyone for the replies. I will get the watch off him and take some photos of the back and inside. I'm not sure what the jeweller did with the strap but it was my fear that he had robbed it for himself. What i thought about the engraving is that it would reduce the value of the watch.
    If it was an original bracelet, then that'd mean quite a loss. I would suggest NOT to visit that jeweller again, since it looks like he's one hell of a dishonest swindler.

    I haven't heard of engravings reducing the value of any watch.
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    That's a horrifying story. The jeweller is obviously trying to take you for a ride. The bracelet, if an Omega, would sell for some good money, if you look on eBay. I don't doubt it looks nice on a black Hirsch strap (a really good brand, by the way, so at least he sold you quality - but he took a double profit), but the issue is about the value of old one. I feel certain he's going to say that he 'threw it out' but I'd try my hardest to look into that. Really.

    Hard to identify the watch exactly, but get it back and the Forum will help you with that.

    If you want to take the engraving off, that can be done. The depth of the engraving matters a lot. If it's deep, then it would need to be filled. If so - and I assume it's steel - then it would need to be filled by someone with a specialist laser welder. If you're interested, I can PM you with the details of such a guy here in the UK. Expensive. If it's shallow, then this can often be polished off, but again, that's not advice I give without qualification - you'd need someone really good to do that carefully. Send us back pics when you can.
    You can often find old backs for many Omega models on eBay and replacing it outright is yet another option.

    I gently disagree with mkws on engravings devaluing watches; many collectors simply won't touch a watch with an engraving. In the strictest sense, that doesn't devalue it as such, but it does reduce the market somewhat and that might have a knock on effect on price - if selling it were your goal. And the type or quality of engraving matters a lot, of course. Some are nice and some are ham-fisted rubbish done with a Dremel hobby tool.

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