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    Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    So I just won this internet auction and I tried to confirm the movement's authenticity via Roland Ranfft's database.

    The closest I could find is the Universal 56, but that one does not have the date wheel like this watch obviously does.

    Can anyone relieve my anxiety that I paid for an actual Universal Geneve manual wind?

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    I can send my own pics when it arrives, so just attaching the seller's pics.
    I've got more Converse sneakers than watches, but it is a close race.

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    Unfortunately Dr Ranfft's site - although the most comprehensive on the web - doesn't have every movement ever made. He mainly puts on the movements which pass through his hands. I can't positively ID the movement - but it looks good to me. It has a high standard of finish and the markings look authentic. Hopefully someone else can be more positive.
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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    Looks good, nice purchase.

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    The bridging looks a lot like some of the Eta winders... I'd look through them.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    Good purchase.
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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    The movement is certainly OK, and original to the watch. There were many similar movements produced by various manufacturers during that period, and most were based on (or quite similar to) the ETA 1100 series.

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    Hi TheJohnP,

    you were pretty close with the Universal 56. I have some variants of this calibre in the
    pipeline, but hesitate to publish them, because the designation system of Universal is pretty
    confusing, and the differences between some calibres are not visible.

    Anyway, it appears that the Univesal 56 is equivalent to the the 1105 (11.5''') and the
    smaller 1005 (10.5'''). Redesigned versions got either a suffix or a prefix in the form 1-, 2- etc.

    I can't read it in your photo, but I suspect, it is a Universal 1-1105 or 1105-1, with the
    version prefix/suffix 1 indicating a movable stud carrier, thus actually the same features as
    the 56.

    The same movements (with minor optical differences) were available from Movado, and I
    have no idea who actually produced them.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    Thanks for the feedback everyone!
    Definitely makes me feel better for the money spent as I know of so many frankens and fakes out there.

    I never really figured I'd find a Universal Geneve in my budget, guess there are Christmas miracles!

    I'll upload better photos of watch and movement when I get it in.
    I've got more Converse sneakers than watches, but it is a close race.

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    So I got the watch in this week and finally had a chance to open her up and take some more pics of the movement and some of the blemishes.

    Overall it seems to be running both fast and slow. Probably just needs a good oiling and cleaning, which I have on my to do list. But after all the feedback from all of you and taking a closer look at the movement, I feel I did snag a great deal on an authentic Universal Geneve.

    And the movement is marked "1107-1," anyone know much about that particular model? Probably a variant as Roland Ranfft suggests. Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi TheJohnP,

    you were pretty close with the Universal 56. I have some variants of this calibre in the
    pipeline, but hesitate to publish them, because the designation system of Universal is pretty
    confusing, and the differences between some calibres are not visible.

    Anyway, it appears that the Univesal 56 is equivalent to the the 1105 (11.5''') and the
    smaller 1005 (10.5'''). Redesigned versions got either a suffix or a prefix in the form 1-, 2- etc.

    I can't read it in your photo, but I suspect, it is a Universal 1-1105 or 1105-1, with the
    version prefix/suffix 1 indicating a movable stud carrier, thus actually the same features as
    the 56.

    The same movements (with minor optical differences) were available from Movado, and I
    have no idea who actually produced them.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    I've got more Converse sneakers than watches, but it is a close race.

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    Re: Help identifying Universal Geneve movement

    thought it looked similar this but my zodiac balance bridge is diamond shaped and there are other subtle differences too. I guess this is the same 1100 as mentioned above?:
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