Help Me determine if my Fortis is Authentic

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  1. #1
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    Help Me determine if my Fortis is Authentic

    Hello All

    I picked up this watch at a local Flea Market, for $75....

    I'm assuming it's an Authentic 50's or 60's Fortis Tuxedo, that's been re-dialed as "Starling".... But any expertise or knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

    Info from the movement-

    2452, Fortis 21J Swiss Made. It's great condition.. Rose Gold plated...

    Info from the case back-

    Fortis Tuxedo Stainless Steel Back Automatic Incabloc Waterproof Swiss 6222.

    Crown Does not have the Fortis "Crown"

    Case seems to be base metal, gold plated, showings signs of wear- gold plating is completely warn off at the edges.

    I have seen similar examples on ebay, although they all signed Fortis on the dial and not Starling If this is-infact an authentic Fortis, thoughts on having the dial, resigned Fortis?????

    I tried posting this on the Fortis Forum, but Zero Replies, Was hoping some of you vinate experts might be able to shed some light?

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    Member Eeeb's Avatar
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    Great Lakes - USofA

    Re: Help Me determine if my Fortis is Authentic

    Given the overpolish of the caseback, this watch has seen more rough times than the dial shows... redial. So it could be anything...
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Zenith Forum Co-moderator
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    Feb 2006

    Re: Help Me determine if my Fortis is Authentic

    Well, Tuxedo was a sub brand of Fortis by the looks of it (Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index - Das Informationsportal über Taschenuhren mit der riesigen Handelsmarken-Datenbank der Uhrmacherei) so "Starling" may well be the model name rather than the brand. The movement is an ETA 2452:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: ETA 2452

    Hartmut Richter

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    Member TheJohnP's Avatar
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    Re: Help Me determine if my Fortis is Authentic

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    My Fortis Tuxedo II says hello.
    Wonder if Starling was a local jeweler who branded the Fortis as an "in house" model?
    I've got more Converse sneakers than watches, but it is a close race.

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