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    Help me out here

    I came across this
    VINTAGE MENS CIMIER SPORT SWISS CHRONOGRAPH WRISTWATCH Nice Working Condition NR


    Vintage Mens Cimier Sport Swiss Chronograph Wristwatch Nice Working Condition | eBay

    Two button pusher, and two counters - but look at the movement - surely NEVER a chronograph with two counters

    So I wrote to seller, thinking he had posted the the wrong movement picture - following is his reply
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    Hello Adam,
    the two counters at 10 & 8 do increment.
    The button at 2 o'clock stops the second
    hand and the button at 4 o'clock starts the
    second hand.
    These buttons do not have any thing to do with
    the counters.
    I hope this helps.
    Regards, Exxxx
    UNQUOTE

    I responded
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    Dear castillocollectibles,

    Hi
    Really thanks your reply
    Can you tell me
    1) What do the two counters do at 10 and 8. Do they increment?
    2) What do the two buttons do in reference to
    a) the minute hand
    b) those two counters mentioned in 1

    I am really ASTONISHED - NO way can this be a chronograph - in my opinion
    Thanks your reply"

    This is what came back
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    Hello Adam,
    The reason I stated chronograph is because I saw
    this other Cimier watch like mine that sold on eBay
    That is why use chronograph.
    Here is the eBay number of that Cimier that sold ( 111106922873 ).
    Thanks for the information.
    Sincerely
    UNQUOTE

    Here is the watch referred to above
    Vintage Swiss Cimier Sport Black Dial Military Chronograph Hand Wind Wrist Watch | eBay

    A movement like that - surely no chronograph with counters. Simple hack (stop and start) but not start/stop/return to zero

    Am I missing something.
    As they say "only on Ebay"
    Regards
    Last edited by HOROLOGIST007; July 10th, 2013 at 17:54.
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    Re: Help me out here

    eh Lapanouse Lapanouse who was he?

    1950s - 1960s Cimier, Endura, Lucerne R. Lapanouse Chronographs
    regards enrico

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    Re: Help me out here

    Lapanouse "poor man's chronograph"
    a bit of gogling will show u that not "only on ebay", Cimier or "Sport" branded
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    Re: Help me out here

    A search of online definitions shows that a Chronograph is a device for recording time. There is no requirement to be able to zero them and indeed the instrument that gave rise to the name had no such feature. I suspect then that the issue is with our assumptions.


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    Yep, they weren't "true" chronographs, per se.
    I believe it is the same movement as in the Basis Sport and other random brands of the period.
    I've seen them go for much less on the 'bay, as well.
    Ending bid seemed kind of high to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    eh Lapanouse Lapanouse who was he?

    1950s - 1960s Cimier, Endura, Lucerne R. Lapanouse Chronographs
    regards enrico
    Enrico
    Please explain me what that guy is trying to say. He completely lost me

    1) Do the two registers increment automatically over time?
    2) If not what do they do?
    3) what do the pushers do? I suspect just hack (and stop the complete watch)
    4) What is the point of two counters.

    Please, I really got NO IDEA how he is explaining it.
    Thanks
    adam
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    He's not fully explaining the function, at least not completely. I don't believe the watch can keep time and simultaneously do the "lap timing" as well. The hack feature facilitates this. Ultimately, when you're done timing, you have to look at another clock and reset your watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP71624 View Post
    He's not fully explaining the function, at least not completely. I don't believe the watch can keep time and simultaneously do the "lap timing" as well. The hack feature facilitates this. Ultimately, when you're done timing, you have to look at another clock and reset your watch.
    What it 'seems
    Is a simple timer rather than a watch.
    You set the time to 12 oclock and counters to zero.
    Pres stop top start button and its start to time up to 6 hhrs and 45 minutes - NO watch function.
    You can time that period
    Stop it.
    Then re-set as a watch.

    So to me its a wristwatch timer rather than a chronograph.
    That said, what MIRIUS says is correct, but I think that definition was made in 1821 by Rieussec or Adolphe Nicole in 1844

    Thanks your input
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    1) Do the two registers increment automatically over time? yes
    2) If not what do they do?
    3) what do the pushers do? I suspect just hack (and stop the complete watch) one start one stop the watch
    4) What is the point of two counters. upper 45 minutes lower 6 hours

    I do not understand the use of a counterof 6 hours
    would like to be a chronograph but actually unusable without a second unit
    regards enrico

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    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    1) Do the two registers increment automatically over time? yes
    2) If not what do they do?
    3) what do the pushers do? I suspect just hack (and stop the complete watch) one start one stop the watch
    4) What is the point of two counters. upper 45 minutes lower 6 hours

    I do not understand the use of a counterof 6 hours
    would like to be a chronograph but actually unusable without a second unit
    regards enrico
    Thanks Enrico. I got it now.
    What it 'seems
    Is a simple timer rather than a watch.
    You set the time to 12 oclock and counters to zero.
    Pres stop top start button and its start to time up to 6 hhrs and 45 minutes - NO watch function.
    You can time that period
    Stop it.
    Then re-set as a watch.

    So to me its a wristwatch timer rather than a chronograph.
    That said, what MIRIUS says is correct, but I think that definition was made in 1821 by Rieussec or Adolphe Nicole in 1844

    Thanks your input
    adam
    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL. THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.

    "Failure is not an option" - Gene Kranz
    "Owning a vintage watch is great, understanding where it sits in Horology is magnificent"
    and
    "By Teaching Others, We Teach Ourselves"
    Adam

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