Help with movement I.D. for a new arrival please.Now with pictures !
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    Wink Help with movement I.D. for a new arrival please.Now with pictures !

    My latest arrival dropped softly onto my door mat today.
    It`s my first Patria brand watch and looks to date from around the late 1920`s to mid `30`s I think.
    Patria was one of the early brands (like Helvetia ) of the General Watch Company before they launched the Omega brand.
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    This decent example is in a "pur nickel" case and in pretty decent condition overall but will get a service at some point as it seems to have been a bit over oiled and the movement looks a bit dirty .One side of a lug needs soldering/repair.
    Seems to be keeping reasonable time at the moment as I`ve tweaked the regulator since the photo was taken.
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    I have no idea which movement it has though as the only marking I can see is a single 2 under the balance with no intials or marks.
    I`ve read that Patria did produce some of their own movents but as there is no name on the bridges (or jewel count mentioned ) I`m wondering if it may be a movement produced by G.W.C. and used in a few of their brands.
    I`ve had a quick look on Dr.Ranftt`s site but I found no Patria movements listed.
    I did notice what to me looked like a slightly unusual click on this movement though -just one tooth (nothing appears broken and the watch winds and sets with no problems )
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    I`m only a novice though so I`m hoping some of you may be able to come up with a few ideas.
    Thanks in advance






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    Re: Help with movement I.D. for a new arrival please.





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    A bump for my first post which now has pictures to hopefully help gain the info.. site was saying my pics was over 300GB too big!! -weird

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    Re: Help with movement I.D. for a new arrival please.Now with pictures !

    Hi Demonfinder,

    Possibly A. Schild Cal 168 although the clicks are different.


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    Thanks for that lead James..I`ll do a bit more investigating.
    I can`t seem to find a great deal about Patria on the web so far.

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    If you know how to remove the dial then you may find some markings there. I have a couple of watches from that era that have no visible markings on the movement but they are on the dial side of the movement.
    A Schild is a good bet. Will be marked 'AS xxx'.
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    FWIW, Patria - along with Helvetia - were founded by Louis Brandt & Frere, i.e. Omega. However, at some point, both have separated from the Brandt holding. In case of Patria, that would have probably been shortly after World War I - not sure, though. During the war, they have used Omega movements (12''' derivatives of the cal. 19''') every now and then, at least as far as I know, so it can be assumed, that during the war they still have belonged to Omega.
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    Re: Help with movement I.D. for a new arrival please.Now with pictures !

    Thanks for the info guys.
    The watch is now with my local watchmaker for the lug repair .
    It will join the queue for a service at some point and that should uncover the actual calibre hopefully- and maybe a more accurate date range for the watch.
    I`d like to get a nice reasonably priced strap for it too ..maybe what I think is sometimes called a pilot/aviator style the the popper/ stud fixings for fixed lugs but without a back pad -if anyone can suggest a good seller I`d be grateful.
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    Re: Help with movement I.D. for a new arrival please.Now with pictures !

    Quote Originally Posted by demonfinder View Post
    ...I`d like to get a nice reasonably priced strap for it too ..maybe what I think is sometimes called a pilot/aviator style the the popper/ stud fixings for fixed lugs but without a back pad -if anyone can suggest a good seller I`d be grateful.
    ...or you could just go with a conventional open-ended strap, e.g.
    https://www.hirschstraps.com/collect...-hirsch-straps

    Here's an old thread about such things:
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/joy...ps-603732.html
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    Thanks for the help Chascomm :0)

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