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    Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    I have inherited and old 14K gold hunter case pocket watch, manual wind, from the 1890s.

    The movement was beyond repair, but the case is really nice. The movement is just smaller than 32mm, so I figure it is 14 ligne. Could also be 13 1/2 ligne. The movement fit perfectly in the case. I have done som searching, and can't seem to find any good 14 ligne swiss movements to replace it.

    Is it possible to use a smaller movement? If so, do i need some sort of «filling» in the gap between the movement and the case? Or will a correct sized dial be enough to keep the movement in place? Appreciate any help I can get.

    While I'm at it, I might as well try to identify the watch. I have no idea what brand it is. The movement had no inscriptions or tells whatsoever.
    What I do know, though, is this:

    On the inside of both case lids are:
    * The 0,585 mark (gold).
    * On either side of the gold mark there is one really small symbol which I can't make anything of.
    * Some sort of logo on the down-right side of 0,585 - a profile of what seems like a dog's head and the initials «JS».
    * Another logo on the down-left side of 0,585 - it looks like a chef's hat or a king's crown or something.

    So far the inside of both case lids are identical. But then:

    * On the back case lid, downwards from 0,585, is the number 87154.
    * On the back case lid, by the edge and hand-carved, are the numbers R17720 (the R might be a K or P, but I think it's R).
    * But on the front case lid, downwards from 0,585, is only the number 54.

    And then there's the lid between the case back and the movement.

    * On the inside of this, there is the word «METAL» and the number 87154.
    * On the down-left side on this lid, the letters «JL» seems to be engraved.
    * And finally, to the left by the edge, carved by hand it seems, is the number «1139A».


    Does anyone know anything about this?







    Last edited by erlendh; January 26th, 2011 at 02:13. Reason: New pictures

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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    Can you post a pic of the movement, or post the serial number so we can check size? Why do you say it is beyond repair?

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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    *edit. Though that was yours in the photo.
    Last edited by trim; January 26th, 2011 at 02:12.

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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    trim: I have removed the example photo and uploaded the real thing now.

    RonD: I went to two different watchmakers, both said nothing could be done to save the movement.

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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    Quote Originally Posted by erlendh View Post
    RonD: I went to two different watchmakers, both said nothing could be done to save the movement.
    My guess is that they did not want to work on it. Post a photo of it.

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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    Sorry, but the movement is gone, I have no idea where it is. I've had this watch in a storage chaos for a couple years now, forgot about it, and just found it again. Figured it was time to do something to save what's left of it. But I do remember clearly there was nothing on the movement - no serial number, no name, no logo, no initials, nothing. I probably thought it wasn't high end because of this.

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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    The case is marked for Vve. Schoepf-Courvoisier, La Chaux-de Fonds, Switzerland. This is likely the casemaker:

    Mikrolisk - was Feines für die Tasche... - Das Informationsportal rund um die Taschenuhr!
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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    I'll tell you this much. That's a solid 14kt gold case. Don't scrap it whatever you do. Those things are worth small fortunes right now because solid gold watch-cases are getting increasingly rare.

    I say, keep searching for a movement that fits, then take it to a watchmaker to have him put the watch back together.
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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    You might try looking for 3s movements...in the late 19th century, the American watch standards were pretty dominant, and the nature of the system was that cases were made independently of the watches, and thus tended to be designed around the American standard sizes.
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    Re: Help! Need movement for OLD hunter case

    What does 3S movement mean? Any particular brand I should look for?

    Is it not possible to fit smaller movements in the case?

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