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    Question Help with old Longines please.

    Hi, I wonder if any of you gentlemen are able to identify an old Longines that I picked up a long time ago and has been languishing in a drawer for a few years. I know it doesn't have it's original strap and the face is discoloured around the logo but it did come with a box and it was only a few pounds. The guy I bought it from thought it was from the 1950s.
    The number on the movement is 12357066. There appears to be some tiny 'scratch' engraving on the inside of the case back, perhaps by a repairer/servicer?
    I wonder if it may be worth restoring?
    Any info would be gratefully appreciated. :thanks










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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Thanks for posting. The serial number list I have would date the watch to approx. 1963.

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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Looks like an (in-house) Longines Cal. 23Z:

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...k&Longines_23Z

    The movement is clean enough, if you really feel bad about the dial, you could get a redial done (although it raises the price of restoring and reduces the value to a genuine collector). If you feel sentimental enough about the watch, it would be well worth restoring.

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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    It is well worth a few pounds. But it is not an uncommon watch. As such condition drives the price. Generally you will be facing the cost of service when acquiring these pieces. I find that usually about equals the acquisition price of a decent example. I don't know where these folks who think watch collecting is a lucrative hobby are... I'm certainly not one
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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have just noticed that the movement does indeed have '23Z' engraved just under the serial number.
    With regard to the dial, it looks as though at some point the logo has been re-applied and the glue has leached in to the surrounding area. Probably not much to be done about it. As the watch keeps good time I may just leave it alone, give it a little cleanup and sell it on (better that than put it back in the drawer for ever!)

    Does anybody know the model name of the watch now that we have established the movement? And would it be the norm for Longines to case their watches in gold in the 1960's?

    Many thanks again guys.



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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Quote Originally Posted by dtdukok View Post
    Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have just noticed that the movement does indeed have '23Z' engraved just under the serial number.
    With regard to the dial, it looks as though at some point the logo has been re-applied and the glue has leached in to the surrounding area. Probably not much to be done about it. As the watch keeps good time I may just leave it alone, give it a little cleanup and sell it on (better that than put it back in the drawer for ever!)

    Does anybody know the model name of the watch now that we have established the movement? And would it be the norm for Longines to case their watches in gold in the 1960's?

    Many thanks again guys.
    Too bad about the repair marring the dial...

    This may be a Longines Flagship ... most Admirals were so labeled. 14 KT cases were not the norm for Longines at this time, but they were not uncommon.

    Since the case is worth more than the watch, you might consider finding a similar watch with that movement and swapping cases. This would produce a mismatch between the case number and the movement... which might bother some... but there are no records of cases and their corresponding serial numbered movements so I do not think this changes it's collectability by much. And you would have a nice dial on a nice case.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    How about redialing or swapping dials (if a replacement dial can be found) rather than swapping movements

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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Quote Originally Posted by bjohnson View Post
    How about redialing or swapping dials (if a replacement dial can be found) rather than swapping movements
    six of one, half dozen of another! I am sure the same movement can be migrated... but a different dial may have different attachment points... if the dial and movement went together originally, you are keeping that level of authenticity. Dials have certain vintages just like movements. You could get a mismatch.

    But if you are happy and don't intend to re-sell it as 'entirely original' whatever you choose to do is OK!
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Is that a 9 carat English case? Looks like ".375."
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    Re: Help with old Longines please.

    Quote Originally Posted by pacifichrono View Post
    Is that a 9 carat English case? Looks like ".375."
    The case does indeed have 9K 0.375 stamped in it but it doesn't have English hallmarks and it does have FAB.SUISSE, B & Co, as well as some other marks stamped.

    With regard to another movement, I do have another one that may be a suitable doner, I'll post up a couple or pics shortly.

    Thanks again for everyone's input. :thanks



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