Help with Pocket Watch Movement Identification

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    Help with Pocket Watch Movement Identification

    There is nothing particularly special about this movement, I would just be interested to know who made it.

    The bottom plate is 42mm diameter, so it's about 18.6 lignes, which seems a funny size. I don't know whether movements were actually made in lignes, I would guess that they were probably made in metric sizes using millimetre tools and gauges, and then named to the nearest ligne out of convention?

    Swiss lever escapement with cut bimetallic balance with timing screws and Breguet overcoil balance spring but no shock protection. Jewelled to the centre wheel. So it's quite nicely made, but it's the shape of that big bridge that holds the centre, third and fourth wheel that is most distinctive. It should be easy to identify from that but I don't recognise it - I don't have enough experience to just identify it by eye, I'm hoping someone here will.

    Thanks for any help or comments!

    Regards - David



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    Re: Help with Pocket Watch Movement Identification

    Hi David!

    I´m sure, measured exactly it will have 41,9 mm, which is 18.75''', so not too funny. AFAIK those movements have been produced in large quantities as unsigned ebauches by miscellaneous smaller Swiss ebauche producers in the 1920s.
    Here´s another example.
    Best regards, Mike

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    Re: Help with Pocket Watch Movement Identification

    Hopefully the forum will settle down shortly and stop double posting!


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    What gives?

    Looks like the same movement with a replaced bridge...
    Tick Talk says, "A watch in the hand is worth two on the wrist"

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    Re: What gives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tick Talk View Post
    Looks like the same movement with a replaced bridge...
    Ah the beauty of Photo shop and the cloning tool.
    I don't know who made this movement fo SS&co but it's a good
    looking, well designed thing. If you post the dial side then somebody might
    be able to identify it by the setting mechanism...the setting mechanism is the
    finger print of a watch and is how they are ID'd in old parts books.

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    Re: What gives?

    Geez, you can't trust anything you see...even the shadows look right!
    Tick Talk says, "A watch in the hand is worth two on the wrist"

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    Re: What gives?

    well, the ebay posting already has a dial side picture so no need for one. I wonder why David removed the S&co and Peerless marks on the picture?
    I'm a watchbreaker not a watchmaker.

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    Re: What gives?

    Hi Guys,

    Well it didn't take you long to blow my cover and spot that I had fairly crudely scrubbed off the S&Co and Peerless - my goodness you are sharp. I did this because I didn't want a string of replies telling me that it is an IWC movement, which it isn't, despite having those two stamps on it.

    As I am sure you all know, S&Co and Peerless were trademarks registered by Stauffer Son & Co or Nicolet Fils and Co and were used on IWC movements imported by the London branch, Stauffer & Co. Some people think that S&Co and Peerless equates to IWC, which it doesn't. (There is even a person on eBay at the moment advertising watches marked SS&Co with the three triangles of the Stauffer Atlas factory calling them IWC! Caveat Emptor!!)

    This movement is not an IWC, but it was clearly made for Stauffer & Co. and I just wondered if anyone could identify it. There was a picture of the dial side on the ebay listing, but here is (I hope) a better one.

    Regards - David

    Last edited by David.Boettcher; April 16th, 2011 at 13:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David.Boettcher View Post
    Hi Guys, Well it didn't take you long to blow my cover and spot that I had fairly crudely scrubbed off the S&Co and Peerless - my goodness you are sharp. I did this because I didn't want a string of replies telling me that it is an IWC movement, which it isn't, despite having those two stamps on it.

    I can't speak for anyone other than myself:

    Occasionally I will take valuable time to try to assist someone with either historical information or a technical solution. This effort is predicated only on the assumption that they are sincere in their inquiry. Due to the anonymity of the web - this faith is a must. Omission is a threshold, commission is a purposeful step further.

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