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    Help on this vintage GP Seahawk

    Can the 10 o'clock marker possibly be correct? The seller insists this is how it should be.
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    The marker should be the least of your worries about this watch. It's a redial, and on top of that, a pretty bad one. That font is beyond shoddy. Run as far away as you can from this one.
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    Re: Help on this vintage GP Seahawk

    It's just how it should be, being a poorly printed redial with an incorrect replacement applied marker.

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    Yea gonna have to get ebay involved in this one. Took a chance since the price was low. Bad idea.

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    Yea gonna have to get ebay involved in this one. Took a chance since the price was low. Bad idea.
    Based on a sold items search sorted by price, you paid $250 for this item (to a seller with zero feedback as a seller and who does not offer returns), which is NOT a low price. Two blurry photos of the dial side, none of the back, inside, or movement. Unfortunately, you have already given positive feedback. I don't know what you expect eBay to do since it's not clear that the seller misrepresented anything. This may indeed be a GP watch, and nothing in the listing claims that it is in original condition.

    You may have to chalk this up to a learning experience. In the future, I suggest you ask questions on the forum before purchasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbackdan View Post
    Based on a sold items search sorted by price, you paid $250 for this item (to a seller with zero feedback as a seller and who does not offer returns), which is NOT a low price. Two blurry photos of the dial side, none of the back, inside, or movement. Unfortunately, you have already given positive feedback. I don't know what you expect eBay to do since it's not clear that the seller misrepresented anything. This may indeed be a GP watch, and nothing in the listing claims that it is in original condition.

    You may have to chalk this up to a learning experience. In the future, I suggest you ask questions on the forum before purchasing.
    Was able to get my money back and returned the item. Dodged a bullet there. Ebay sided with me after reviewing the evidence and it didn't help the seller when he kept accusing me of using the watch for parts or found a better deal. Meanwhile, all I did was stated my case and provided pics and evidence of a faulty watch.
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    Sorry to be pedantic… but the fault in this case seems to have actually been yours, in that you didn't research it properly. That the dial is poorly done and the marker incorrect is true, but you're fortunate that eBay staff know little about watches and blindly supported you; they support buyers over sellers, even when the buyer choses poorly. eBay don't waste their time "reviewing the evidence" (that's just a turn of phrase they use), they just beat on the seller. We're all pleased with the outcome, of course. But you're lucky on this one, rather than right. It doesn't appear to be "faulty," just low quality. We are happy to help – next time just post here first to save yourself and that dopey seller the hassle.

    Quote Originally Posted by situ View Post
    Was able to get my money back and returned the item. Dodged a bullet there. Ebay sided with me after reviewing the evidence and it didn't help the seller when he kept accusing me of using the watch for parts or found a better deal. Meanwhile, all I did was stated my case and provided pics and evidence of a faulty watch.
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    While I agree with a lot that was said about researching before buying, I can't agree that it's the buyers fault and I honestly think that this kind of "sellers" absolutely deserve the hassle. I'd say they deserve quite a bit more than that, criminal prosecution included in certain cases. IMHO, if eBay did their job properly in regards to this matter, this kind of dubious listings would be deleted before the sale could take place.

    Most (if not all) of these "sellers" know exactly what they are selling and many choose their descriptions carefully in order not to outright lie, while deliberately and intentionally misrepresenting the product at the same time. In my eyes, that's fraud.

    As for buyers... sure, one might say that they deserve the hassle for not researching enough... perhaps. Up to a point.

    Anyway... above all, nobody deserves to be prevented from getting a nice and honest vintage watch if that's all one really wants... I mean... imagine... that's just... well... wrong!

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    Hi there,

    Quote Originally Posted by LightDot View Post
    ...if eBay did their job properly in regards to this matter
    It is not their job. Ebay folks earn their living with the percentage on the high bids, and therefore won't delete nothing unless they are forced. And on top of every listing is written that the seller (not ebay) is responsible for the offer.

    This all is no secret, and every buyer should (and can) know it. So if someone buys a watch without movement pic, he shouldn't be surprised if it turns out as fake, mariage, rusty cadaver, or in worst case simply as nothing like here:
    Ranfft Watches, Troubles

    I must admit, that I also take ebay as gambling casino now and then. But then I only bid for what I see: i.e. only for the case and the dial, if there is no movement pic. Sometimes I win, and if not, I at least didn't pay too much.

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    Well, I hear you, but… to a greater degree, let the buyer beware, I personally think. eBay has made us all very complacent about taking responsibility for our own inaction. Not sure what you think you're saying when you say: "…if eBay did their job properly in regards to this matter…" eBay are a sales platform, they don't exist to do anything other than act as a go-between for buyers and sellers. They don't – and will never have – the type of knowledge and expertise that so many enthusiasts here have. Why ever should they and however could they, too?

    eBay actually did do their job: they got the OP back his money from someone who was trying to exploit the process by presenting goods of low quality. Welcome to the marketplace, there may be the occasional shyster there. They are now in the process of starting up some sort of authentication programme for items such as this, the results of which (if they proceed) will fuel endless embittered emails to this forum. Who do you think will testify to the authenticity of the goods? How much do you think this will add to the cost of vintage watches? It's important to consider the likely consequences of this idea before embracing it.

    Anyway, the good news is that the OP has now learned an important lesson and goes forward to live another day, to buy a better watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by LightDot View Post
    While I agree with a lot that was said about researching before buying, I can't agree that it's the buyers fault and I honestly think that this kind of "sellers" absolutely deserve the hassle. I'd say they deserve quite a bit more than that, criminal prosecution included in certain cases. IMHO, if eBay did their job properly in regards to this matter, this kind of dubious listings would be deleted before the sale could take place.

    Most (if not all) of these "sellers" know exactly what they are selling and many choose their descriptions carefully in order not to outright lie, while deliberately and intentionally misrepresenting the product at the same time. In my eyes, that's fraud.

    As for buyers... sure, one might say that they deserve the hassle for not researching enough... perhaps. Up to a point.

    Anyway... above all, nobody deserves to be prevented from getting a nice and honest vintage watch if that's all one really wants... I mean... imagine... that's just... well... wrong!

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