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    Question Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Hi guys and gals,

    I posted a thread in the 'Vintage' Forum and thoughts you guys here may have some other thoughts?

    I recently purchased this Helvetia and am waiting for it to arrive....

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    Now, I have found other discussions on forums, where the DI H markings have been called into question!

    That said, as I say in my other thread, I have my own reservations over the dial, hand, case combo.... but would be interested in your thoughts?




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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    I can not find your thread on the vintages Forum.
    Anyway: When you receive the watch, check the DxxxxxH engraving by using a loupe. The scratches should dip into the engraving to various depth. Also the facettes/sides of the engraving should have the same oxidation layer as the rest of the caseback.
    If the engraving looks very shiny, mint etc it is possibly new.

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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Hi janne,

    The title of my thread would not of helped you!

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/lif...er-600064.html

    I will check the engraving when it arrives!

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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    The source you get the watch from might be helpful.
    Currently there is an early Stowa ANTEA on the bay, coming from Bulgaria:

    eBay: Neue und gebrauchte Elektronikartikel, Autos, Kleidung, Sammlerst

    Look at the movement and the engravings in the caseback - not genuine, IMHO.
    ...and read the fairy tale about how they found the watch.

    For this watch I wouldn't pay more than for a beer,


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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Not a german watch. And it should read D----------------H on the back which indicates it has been used by military personel. Have a look in to Knirim's pages.
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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by stuffler,mike View Post
    Not a german watch. And it should read D----------------H on the back which indicates it has been used by military personel. Have a look in to Knirim's pages.
    Hi Mike,

    I realise 'Helvetia' is not a german make... but nor was a lot of the Military issue watches! I also realise the standard markings are 'DH' or Dienstuhr Heer..... but, I have been informed on the other thread that DI H watches were:

    "...found on non-waterproof wristwatches with sweeping centre seconds used for surveillance purposes, c. 1943"

    But Im certainly no expert on German Military watches.... and if that statement is true, it poses the question that this sub second dial/movement has been recased!

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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Source please for ""...found on non-waterproof wristwatches with sweeping centre seconds used for surveillance purposes, c. 1943". Knirim - who is an expert - wrote:" The German Army had special pocket and wristwatches for their officers and special functions. These were manufactured according to given specifications by many German and Swiss producers and retailers (Titus, Aipina, Mulco, Silvana, Minerva, Record, Arsa, Bueren, Zenith, Longines a.s.o.). The pocket as well as the wristwatch had screwed backs and were shock resistant. The dial was black with a small second hand with radium digits and hands. The back was marked "D.H." (Deutsches Heer), with the case number. The watches were partly deployed and written into the soldier's book, and also sold to army staff."
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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Where did you buy it from?

    OT note: During the Commie takeower of the various countries, people of "means" hid a lot of stuff from the greedy Governments. The tale about the can could be true (not likely ).

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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by stuffler,mike View Post
    Source please for ""...found on non-waterproof wristwatches with sweeping centre seconds used for surveillance purposes, c. 1943".
    I found that on a set of pages at the front of Z.M. Wesolowski's "A concise Guide to Military Timepieces (1880-1990)", which I suspect is a reprint of another source (someone posted a link to a PDF on the web that contains the exact same text).
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    Re: Helvetia with DI H military markings.... any thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by stuffler,mike View Post
    Source please for ""...found on non-waterproof wristwatches with sweeping centre seconds used for surveillance purposes, c. 1943".
    Hi Mike, I am unsure where this came from... see the other thread - was posted by someome... HOWEVER, doing a search, i found this page of military markings...

    http://german242.com/books/military_...e_markings.pdf


    See page 3 for the same quote as above!

    It seems that KL, FL and 'D' were also used along with the DH markings for military issue (army, air and navy)... which also ties in with this page I found:


    eBay Guides - WWII German military issue service watches



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    Edit... i see Rob jumped in also!!
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