Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel
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    Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Today's arrival was a little unknown!


    I bought the watch without any movement pics... so was not sure what I was going to find!


    The case (which there was a pic of in the listing) dates the watch to 1917/18, Glasgow, John Weir (Sponsor) and the Borgel trade mark.




    The movement...



    I recognised the layout, but could not think where!

    A quick search came up with one of my watches (happens more and more). My 1914/15 Dennison screw case which has this movement.



    As you will see (if you look at the Dennison thread), I ID the watch back to Tavannes, due to the Pat number 'U.S. PAT 24 MAY 1904', which appeared to be a patent granted to Henri Sandoz (founder of Tavannes).

    I also have another Cyma Borgel with a different layout. This dates to 1915/16 and was ID'd as: Cal 13''' Ref 370 Savonnette. The movement looks like:



    Which when compared to my new arrival (dating to 1917/18)





    There are certain similarities with the screw/jewel locations and Transmission wheel, Ratchet wheel and Click... but its the base plate where its clear to see these are the same base movements... the 1917/18 on the left




    Looking at the 3 different Cyma movements I have... todays arrival appears to be a mix of the earlier 2 ones

    The top row shows the 3 movements. 1914 Dennison (Left), 1915 Cyma Borgel (Middle) and todays 1917 Cyma Borgel (Right).

    The bottom row shows a mix of the 1914 and 1915 (Left), which uses the balance cock and bridge from the 1914 and a reduced barrel bar from the 1915. Bottom Right that overlays this mix with todays arrival (1917), with all parts lining up!




    Today definitely appears to be the higher grade of the 3, with 16 jewel movement and screw in chatons... The hands on the watch are not quite right and it needs a service (runs ok as is...), so will add finished pics once complete!

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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Nice post.
    Does the watch have the military style dial and hands?

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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    Does the watch have the military style dial and hands?
    No...



    My other one (1915) is...



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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Nice.
    You are building up a fairly comprehensive collection of watches in Borgel cases.
    I wonder how many different movement cals and dial styles were used in these cases over the WW1 period?
    the variation in these make a good basis for a collecting specialisation.
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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Very nice addition to your collection (what we have seen of it anyway...). The finish on the movement is quite nice.

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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Once again - congrats. I have this movement in a wristwatch - but lacking the stem:

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    The dial side is marked 559 - so I think it could be a Tavannes 559 calibre.
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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrick View Post
    Once again - congrats. I have this movement in a wristwatch - but lacking the stem:
    Well... congrats to you... thats also a nice movement!

    Slightly concerned that the micro 'reed' regulator is not doing its job anymore.

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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparcster View Post
    Well... congrats to you... thats also a nice movement!

    Slightly concerned that the micro 'reed' regulator is not doing its job anymore.

    Marc
    Don't worry about it - I haven't got a stem for it so its not being used.
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    Re: Higher Grade 1917/18 Cyma 13''' (Tavannes) Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    I wonder how many different movement cals and dial styles were used in these cases over the WW1 period?
    Hi Radger,

    There are many (movements) still to add to the collection... especially if I look at all the variations/grades... The more I look, the more I see!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleotime View Post
    Very nice addition to your collection (what we have seen of it anyway...).
    Cheers Paleotime... I think most have been seen on here! Quite a few still need a service....
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