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    Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    Well, not really. But as I was cruising through my usual sites, I saw an article on vintage moon phase watches that featured a photo I took of a watch I once owned. Did not expect that, considering I'm a very crappy photographer. Sold to someone in France...

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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    I hope the properly acknowledged it being your photo..


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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    I had the same happen to me a few months ago. Was helping someone ID a VSA and I found a picture a site used on a Marlboro Swiss Army watch. It was/is mine. Still have it. :)


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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    Quote Originally Posted by tinknocker View Post
    I had the same happen to me a few months ago. Was helping someone ID a VSA and I found a picture a site used on a Marlboro Swiss Army watch. It was/is mine. Still have it. :)


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    You should ask them to compensate you or remove the picture from their site.. I received a watch in compensation when a company used my watch photos without permission..
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    I've been a professional photographer for more years than I'd like to admit, and I feel strongly that action should always be taken against anyone whose steals photographs (or anything else, but we're talking pictures today). By action I mean that as a starting point, you should notify them that their behaviour is unacceptable and ask for compensation or immediate removal of the content – it is after all, theft. No more, no less. Fratello are a commercial website and sell advertising on their site, so you're actually subsidising their business model. Why should you? Your content is being sold to their benefit and not yours.

    I personally don't feel that a credit is enough, either. I regularly work for the world's best known newspaper; millions of people see my work online every time I take an assignment from them. My name appears beside the work and I'm easy to find on Google, so anyone wanting to shower me with highly paid work could do so if they wanted to. I've re-sold images that have appeared there a few times; believe me, I get paid hardly anything for the primary job and even less on resale. Really.

    But I've never got a job out of it, and we are talking years now. I do get bloggers, most of whom are similarly commercialised, stealing my stuff "innocently" all the time. We are talking 50+ returns on any particular image on Google, just to give you some sense of scale. It's that widespread. I don't have the time to write to them all. I try to make the time to write to them as often as I can and ask them – politely – to remove the images (they are, after all, worth less to the world each time they are published). One of the last ones said she thought "I would welcome the increased attention it would bring to my work." She forgot that a few million people had woken up to it that morning. But anyway, I had to write back to her and remind her that it would be difficult for anyone to know whose work it was, as she had neither credited the media outlet, the writer of the stolen article or my photographs (yes, she had stripped out all mention of the authors…funny that).

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm just trying to eke out a living and it's really hard out there, so… write to them, engage with them, don't let it slide. That 'everyone does it' is a lame excuse. You could take legal action, of course, but the courts are an ineffective route to pursue, and this is why such practices continue. Grrrr. But do go and have a look at the CAPIC site, which has more information about copyright as it relates to photography in Canada.

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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    Thanks Ipromise,

    It is a great watch and that's what counts for us (Fratello Watches). Normally (to respond a bit more into detail, also seeing some other replies in this post), we use our own photos by Bert Buijsrogge (co-owner Fratello Watches) who is a professional photographer (Bert Buijsrogge | Photography). We are ware of the difficulties with the use and re-use of photos all across the web. We happen to find our own photos on various websites, forums, other blogs and even eBay auctions. It is a frustrating topic for professional photographers, especially if they don't credit or link back to us. It is one of the reasons we started to water mark our own work.

    In some cases, we are unable to take our own pictures. Like with these vintage watch topics for example. Although we can access a lot of different watches, some times a topic to write about comes into mind and photos become a bit of an issue. Most of the time we use photos from auction houses, watch dealers and credit and link to them accordingly.

    In this particular case, we searched for photos from vintage moonphase watches in the affordable price range. Our editor used Ipromise's picture and credited him in the caption of the photo. Since the photo was used as a header, it didn't state below the photo that it was his. Our mistake for not checking. As soon as I noticed I emailed Ipromise if he was fine with us using his picture. In the meanwhile, I had replaced the header photo of the article with another one. Ipromise confirmed he was fine and I changed it back and made sure the credit for his work is clearly visible.

    We are always looking for (awesome) home-made photos of interesting watches by watch collectors and enthusiasts and will do a check with them up front. This time it slipped, we slipped. A good call to be aware about it again.

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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    I understand the position by pro or semi pro photographers - were I in the same position, I would react the same. I, on the other hand, am a horrible photographer, just starting out, and trying to figure out this pretty complicated hobby. So to see my photo somewhere is just great. Credit is fine enough for me, and I am content to see a contribution to the watch community.

    Thanks for the post as well, Robert!
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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    You can't say it better than that, and that's what I would have hoped for from Fratello, a blog I follow and enjoy.
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    Thanks Ipromise,

    It is a great watch and that's what counts for us (Fratello Watches). Normally (to respond a bit more into detail, also seeing some other replies in this post), we use our own photos by Bert Buijsrogge (co-owner Fratello Watches) who is a professional photographer (Bert Buijsrogge | Photography). We are ware of the difficulties with the use and re-use of photos all across the web. We happen to find our own photos on various websites, forums, other blogs and even eBay auctions. It is a frustrating topic for professional photographers, especially if they don't credit or link back to us. It is one of the reasons we started to water mark our own work.

    In some cases, we are unable to take our own pictures. Like with these vintage watch topics for example. Although we can access a lot of different watches, some times a topic to write about comes into mind and photos become a bit of an issue. Most of the time we use photos from auction houses, watch dealers and credit and link to them accordingly.

    In this particular case, we searched for photos from vintage moonphase watches in the affordable price range. Our editor used Ipromise's picture and credited him in the caption of the photo. Since the photo was used as a header, it didn't state below the photo that it was his. Our mistake for not checking. As soon as I noticed I emailed Ipromise if he was fine with us using his picture. In the meanwhile, I had replaced the header photo of the article with another one. Ipromise confirmed he was fine and I changed it back and made sure the credit for his work is clearly visible.

    We are always looking for (awesome) home-made photos of interesting watches by watch collectors and enthusiasts and will do a check with them up front. This time it slipped, we slipped. A good call to be aware about it again.

    Best,
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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    +1
    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL. THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.

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    Re: Hilarious! My photo's famous!

    I've had some of my movement photos show up on ebay before...the really annoying part was that they deliberately cropped out the watermark I put on all my photos. Contacted them and had them remove it from the listing; not much else I could do.
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