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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    I suspect that due to your frustration you are going to end up badly damaging the watch.

    Firstly do NOT lay the watch in the palm of your hand and try opening the back by pushing down and turning. Hold the watch by the lugs and very very gently grip the side if back cover to turn. Pressing down just forces the back tighter. It should be a gentle grip on the sides so as not to tighten the back (squeezing) it into the case.

    I doubt any jeweler would charge to open it, but for 10 or 15 £ its better than your frustration
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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    I suspect that due to your frustration you are going to end up badly damaging the watch.

    Firstly do NOT lay the watch in the palm of your hand and try opening the back by pushing down and turning. Hold the watch by the lugs and very very gently grip the side if back cover to turn. Pressing down just forces the back tighter. It should be a gentle grip on the sides so as not to tighten the back (squeezing) it into the case.

    I doubt any jeweler would charge to open it, but for 10 or 15 £ its better than your frustration
    Regards

    Others have said not to grip the sides as it warps it and makes it impossible to remove...
    Either way, that was the most obvious method for me and I tried it first to no avail :/

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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    I guess what I'm confused about is what differently will a watchmaker do to get it off? Is there a tool I can get?
    I'd like to know how to do this for the future, that's all

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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    Quote Originally Posted by dotdotdot View Post
    Others have said not to grip the sides as it warps it and makes it impossible to remove...
    Either way, that was the most obvious method for me and I tried it first to no avail :/
    as I explained is what you should try, if you are truly holding the watch by the lugs, then the front bezel should not be turning.
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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    I told you the ttools ball
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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    It's hard to see, but where the crown is attached to the watch, it looks like the joint/solder goes over the break in the back where the case should screw off...could this be the problem? why would this be?


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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    If the crown turns it can not be attached.
    The stem of the crown might.
    If that is the case, then the movement comes out from the front.
    Please give me a link to sellers site
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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    If the crown turns it can not be attached.
    The stem of the crown might.
    If that is the case, then the movement comes out from the front.
    Please give me a link to sellers site
    The stem of the crown is what I meant.
    The seller is an ebay seller who doesn't usually sell watches so they really aren't any help.

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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    Ah, maybe the Ukrainian Watch Munging Company superglued it together to get a problem case out the door. These are actually awful conglomerations. (The Elgin logo on the dial is amusing.)

    To have built this they had to have the back off. So it is not fused by time. And all these are recent builds.
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    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: How to remove the back of this elgin pocket watch converstion

    It doesn't look like the crown or stem tube is the problem. But Eeeb is right. It wouldn't be the first time that a case back has been superglued on to prevent the buyer from discovering the truth about what they have bought. However having had this problem myself with screwbacks it may be just technique which is the problem and a sympathetic watchmaker may be your answer.


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