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    http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    The link is the title. Hope this works. Wanted to see what the experts thought of this pocket watch. I am not thinking of buying this watch as I only collect NEW watches. I am a newbie to pocket watches and have read quite a few reviews about Chrono24 and the dealers who sell on there. Just trying to learn some things

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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    Without a movement picture, there is nothing to say. The seller has set a high price, providing only the pictures of the exterior of the watch, and of his workbench. As if his desk and watchmaking tools were anyhow relevant to the watch up for sale!
    A good listing for any watch should have all the outside and inside details of the watch described and photographed. This one hasn't, so I would suggest not to use such listings as a reference. Since, as you say, you want to learn a little bit, then you've just found a textbook example of a (bad) listing with insufficient information provided
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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    I think the dial is what he's selling; the watch is just "attached" to it. He doesn't mention if it's an O'Hara or not (and I suspect it isn't), so maybe he's fishing for someone hoping it might be?
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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    It is for the entire watch based on what I have below. If I could get that kind of money with no real information on a watch and no pictures other than the front I would be swimming in cash. The seller, who supposedly fixes clocks and watches based on the pictures, can't even open it and take one single good pic of the movement? Can't even write in what is written one the movement like a serial or tell us how many jewels? I would avoid the seller based on the lack of information as you could be taking a huge risk on little information for way too much money. Pretty dial but a pig in a dress........

    He says "Hard to find"....is he referring to real information in his sales listing?


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    Beautiful pocket watch Waltham great size , double bass nickel silver , two-tone dial blue / white , enameled delicate floral pink and bearing Arabic numerals and secondiera at 6 o'clock in perfect mechanical condition and aesthetic , really hard to find !The object comes with 1 year warranty Orologiocando ; It belongs to my private collection , so the sale is done with the formula " as is" ( do not accept returns , so you should look carefully at the picture before you make the purchase ) .They are still at your disposal for more photos and / or clarification .Good purchase!
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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    You misunderstand. Yes, he's selling the whole watch. But the important part is the dial; the rest of it is just a generic Waltham in a generic case. You may not realize how valuable a true O'hara dial is to collectors. In the early days, the big watch companies would sell custom fancy dials as special orders, and they were hand-painted by dial foreman. The output of the more talented of these men (like O'hara of Waltham fame, or Moorhouse of E.Howard fame) fetch a premium at auction, regardless of the watch to which they're attached.
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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    I don't believe his price is set to where it is because he knows that fact. I believe it is set to the hopes that someone is willing to pay a large amount for a watch that he knows little about. He hopes someone out there knows more and can justify the amount being asked. He does not focus on the possible rarity of the dial. This is like most of the listings of watches on Etsy. Lots of people posting watches for sale far above the actual value hoping someone will buy one. I tend to view the practice as fishing for a sucker. Sometimes it works against them and they end up being the sucker like the seller who sold me an all original IWC Jones for $600 thinking that was far more than it was worth.
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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    You misunderstand. Yes, he's selling the whole watch. But the important part is the dial; the rest of it is just a generic Waltham in a generic case. You may not realize how valuable a true O'hara dial is to collectors. In the early days, the big watch companies would sell custom fancy dials as special orders, and they were hand-painted by dial foreman. The output of the more talented of these men (like O'hara of Waltham fame, or Moorhouse of E.Howard fame) fetch a premium at auction, regardless of the watch to which they're attached.
    This is interesting. I looked at the dial and thought it was off. The dots don't line up, the smaller partial circles don't line up with the numbers, and it appears the numbers don't line up. Also unrelated to the dial the detailing on the edge of the case seems faint as if the case has been over polished. Al this on a watch rated (0) unworn? Am I wrong?

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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    regards enrico
    Thanks. Being a Newbie with very few post, I was not allowed to insert a picture or a link into message

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    Re: http://www.chrono24.com/en/waltham/pocket-watch-pocket-watch--id3894024.htm

    The dial may well be an O'hara(I'd be surprised if it's not, although it could be Swiss). Most of the dials were made by O'hara, although not all were signed. Even so, it's not a $500 O'Hara dial. I've owned, bought, and sold my fair share of these and the high dollar ones are the full picture dials. I did well to get that much for my "Lighthouse" dial when I sold it, although admittedly it had a couple of hairlines. The picture is poor enough that I can't tell for sure on the dial in question, but hairlines seriously devalue these dials. This one looks to have some damage around the 5:00 marker that's partially covered by the rather large bezel-I'd want/expect to see a photo with the bezel off before paying anything close to that.

    The movement is indeed secondary unless it's something like a '92 model. Fancy dials for '92s are uncommon enough that it might justify the price, although I'd expect some movement information if indeed it is(92 models tend to be fairly high grade, and are interesting even in the lower grades).
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