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    I believe I was swindled...

    I just purchased this watch from Ebay and was so focused on the movement itself which appeared to be authentic until I received the watch and realized that I do not know how to spell. The face of the watch is clearly spelled incorrectly I feel like an idiot and am going to attempt to go through the seller for a refund or maybe Ebay if the seller does not comply. My question, is this a forgery or an extremely poor job at a refurbishing? Thanks in advance for the help.Name:  $(KGrHqR,!iIE9Y5dlhfBBPoc)jjJd!~~60_57.JPG
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    Welcome to the forum. As far as I can see, the movement is very likely a bridge adaptation of the Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1130, which was also used by GP. The original layout looked like this:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Girard-Perregaux 27BF (AS 1130)

    ...and a genuine adaptation by GP looked like this (there are some others in the style that yours shows):

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Girard-Perregaux 27 (AS 1130)

    On the whole, the watch may well be genuine although I cannot absolutely guarantee it. On the other hand, the chances of that error being made by the manufacturers and passing their quality control are minimal so it looks as if we have a very evident and quite pathetic redialling job here. If you paid close to what others in that state (decent condition but redialled without such a mistake) go for, you overpaid, I'm afraid.

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    Looks like a bad redial
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    LOL! Sorry to laugh at your misfortune but if you don't laugh you just might cry. Thanks for sharing this lesson with us
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    I suspect that swindled is too strong a term for it. You appear to have known what you were buying and yet did not look closely enough. It appears from the comments above that the watch is genuine but yes redialled. Redialling is and was a common practice so it's something to always be aware of. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't buy.

    On the other hand if the seller was an expert in GP's and claimed that the watch was 100% genuine in every way then yes, you may have been swindled. If not then... There are a lot of sellers who fail to mention things that they ought to be aware of, but in this case, given that the evidence was staring you in the face I tend agree with Tick Talk - you have to laugh, at yourself, not be angry.


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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    Hi there,

    surely a GP watch so far. The Girard-Perregaux 06BH is a Peseux 330 with GP specific bridge layout. But old Sea Hawk models appear to have usually the more rugged AS based movements; so I doubt that it ever was a Sea Hawk.

    But I guess the dial painter should go for apprenticeship to Mumbai: There the painters have learned to spell correctly, and more important, to turn every color to black.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    I wouldn't say you got swindled. Buyer beware. Sorry, mate. =(
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post

    But I guess the dial painter should go for apprenticeship to Mumbai: There the painters have learned to spell correctly, and more important, to turn every color to black.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Would that they stuck to black. They are also responsible for their fair share of lilac, lime, rose and other pastel-shade dials.
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    Swindled? Sorry, I wouldn´t buy a "Girard Perreguax". Maybe blind but not swindled.
    Why don´t you send the dial to a specialised company for a right redial?
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    Re: I believe I was swindled...

    Peseux 330? Ah well - I was going by the shape of the balance cock which is straight on both sides in your watch and therefore closer to the AS1130. But they must have modded that too.....

    Hartmut Richter

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