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    I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    Pocket watch movement 16 jewels , Spiral Breguet , Micrometer Regulator Pat No.27306
    Beautiful bridge designe stamped VOLAND GENEVE , I did not find anything about the trade mark and the movement caliber it is verry familiar to me but not for sure what it is.
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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    W. Voland & Cie, manufacturers of high precision watches, Geneve/Geneva - (French speaking part of Switzerland, German: Genf) and Biel - (German speaking part of Switzerland, French: Bienne). Very little known about them. Keyword search must be in full (W. Voland - watches, Uhren, montres), as Voland is a household family name.

    Highest grade watches often exported to South America (Argentina), rivalling with manufacturers such as Patek Philippe and Vacheron.

    Mikrolisk has them listed:

    Brand name 'Cara', W. Voland & Co., pocket watches, movements, cases, dials, Biel (Bienne)/Switzerland, registered 1903.

    Can often be seen on eBay, like this one (broken/for repair) from an Argentinian seller:

    http://www.ebay.de/itm/W-Voland-Pock...-/321437798810

    Pat (patent) 27306 refers to a technical feature of the watch under the Swiss patent 27306 (seems to refer to the regulation of the watch and the balance cock with a window and a deepening in there, making it possible to move the index/regulator without touching/scratching the balance cock, or whatever, I am not an expert on these things). Swiss patent numbers are mostly marked together with the Swiss National Cross.

    Inventors have been Oscar Grosvernier and Wilhelm Voland. Link below: Orginal patent document (cover page) with their patent claim/revendication (in French) in line with what I have translated above. Not very exiting I must say, yet slightly above holding a pair of pliers correctly.

    Don't get confused that this comes from the website of the German Patent Office, but they also provide a search function for Swiss patents.

    https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNe...H000000027306A
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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    Your info about this movement are amazing . Me , personal i could find a word about Voland , and i have to say you are good . Thank you for this important describe.

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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    The only Voland or Woland that I have ever heard of before this thread, was the name of the Devil in Bulgakov's Master and Margarita. The book itself I highly recommend.
    Another entry for the patent CH 27306, in Espacenet: Espacenet - Bibliographic data
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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    It'S seems to be an interesting movement , and another clue that show us the watchmaking world is so big and interesting, and every time I get excited.
    What you're telling me makes me more curious about its origin.

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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    Structurally, (i.e. going by the bridge layout), it reminds me of Gallet "Electa" movements (cf. the second set of movements in this link):

    Watch Movement Identification

    That's by no means a definite identification, just a starting thought.....

    Hartmut Richter
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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    William Voland isn't really unknown by collectors of good quality alarm pocket watches. He made more than this crazy regulator patent. It seems to be that a lot of his alarm pocket wathes with gong was made by Beurret Freres (often called Signal) may be all. Here a example with your patent also:
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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    Finally arrived.
    Here are some pictures that say more than a thousand words.
    Another Patent Number, found under the balance wheel. 30 806 Swiss Cross.
    An interesting structure of high quality.
    Solid Silver dial wich has a stam, LOUIS JEANNERET CHAUX DE FOND

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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    Cannot be 30806- you must have misread it. Patent CH 30806 is for a... candle extinguishing device (whatever that is).
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    Re: I need your help to ID this pocket watch movement, PAT 27306

    You are rigth
    The stamp wich i find under the balance wheel is:
    +30606 without any character just a + (swiss cross)
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