Identification Assistance 2

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    Identification Assistance 2

    Well now I have the bug ! Can anyone help identify this silver pocket watch ? I have had it for about 35 years but other than that I haven't a clue

    Thanks again Jim
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    Re: Identification Assistance 2

    I believe that's what's known as a "Swiss Fake", judging by what appears to be a non-split balance with a cut part way through it, to make people think it's a temperature compensated balance. The plate layout is designed to mimic the look of early american watches (or if you prefer, the late british watches that the early american watches were patterned after).

    The case, on the other hand, looks to be a very nice sterling silver job, assayed in Birmingham in (possibly) 1898, although the shield around the letter code is odd. I can't get a match for the makers mark, although it might be "Booth and Boden".

    http://www.925-1000.com/dlBirmingham.html
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    Re: Identification Assistance 2

    Thanks for the info - would that mean that the case is older than the watch ?

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    Re: Identification Assistance 2

    The movement is key wind and as such at least as old as the case.
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    Re: Identification Assistance 2

    Difficult to say; the time frame seems right for both of them. Check very carefully around the edge of the case where the movment screw holds the movement against the case edge, and see if you see other screw marks that would suggest that there used to be another movement in there. I see some marks in your one picture, but it's a bit to fuzzy to make out if they're just normal scratches or marks from previous screws.
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    Re: Identification Assistance 2

    The mark is more likely Barker Brothers of Paradise Street, Birmingham.
    They used a nearly identical mark from 1882 through 1924.
    The lone difference is that they did not make a triangular indentation between the Bs.

    http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/M...mingham-B.html

    I believe that the date letter is actually the gothic script Y that was used in 1848, rather than the later one.
    The 1848 era Birmingham anchor hallmark is also thicker than the later ones and the shield that it's in is the right shape, as well.
    Have a look for yourself at:

    http://freespace.virgin.net/a.data/d.../bhamframe.htm



    You've got to love the internet for all of the information that's out there!
    Sorry, but I'm not able to help with the movement, other than to say that I suspect AbslomRob is right about it being Swiss.

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