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    Question Identification of an old watch

    good evening, everybody!

    Sorry to bother you but after an endless search i am fully lost and dont want to open this old timer.
    So maybe someone knows what i got on my hands here.

    Have a wonderfull day and thank you really much.
    - 1901-1903
    - woman watch
    - 18k white gold
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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Welcome to the Vintage forum. I am sorry but unless it's opened up, we won't be able to say all that much. I rather doubt that it's 1901-1903 (at least if that's the estimated date of manufacture) - it would have to have a form (i.e. non-round) movement and those weren't really developed until the 1920s. If it has a round movement, this would have to be so small that it would be smaller than the movements around 1900 (they started at around 10''', i.e. 22.5mm) or alternatively the watch is a little too big to be accepted as a ladies' watch in those days.

    If the case is white gold, I would suspect that those are real diamonds too. A nice heirloom.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Thanks for the fast answer, so in the end i will not be able to avoid open it, so i will get it out of the safe an ask again on another day.
    I new it was a little to few infos, sorry for that.

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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Wow
    What an entrance.
    Surely real diamonds and how outstanding a piece.
    I suspect a good movement inside
    Its Art Deco period, in my opinion.
    And a fantastic piece, maybe unique!
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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Agreed, need pics of movement and case back and inside case back too, please.
    Early Art Deco, maybe mid-late 1920's but possibly as late as the mid thirties.
    Absolutely stunning piece, the diamonds look quality and the bracelet is fully stoned up too!

    Look forward to seeing more of this one.
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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    As has been said, wow, that's one of the nicest cocktail watches I've seen, it surely date from the "Endless Summer", the inter war period.

    I wonder how many of these beautiful watches have been broken up

    We could do with a few young girls emulating the Edwardian's, like all the young men with well coiffed beards and three piece suits who are snapping up old pocket watches.

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    Re: Identification of an old watch

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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Case is Rolex
    Movement is Rolex
    I knew it was a great!
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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Which does raise the question of why there isn't "Rolex" on the dial too. Possibly an example from the time that Rolex wasn't so famous yet and had to fight to be allowed to have its name on the dial (to C.T.: Hans Wilsdorf was actually a pioneer in the fight for watch companies to have their name on the dial - frequently, they had to have the jeweller's name who sold it in that place, or they wouldn't have made it into the shop!).

    The movement is a Rolex Cal. 250, actually an ebauche (raw movement) made by Aegler and also found in other brands (Alpina, Gruen):

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Rolex 250

    Thanks for opening it up after all and making our day!

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    Re: Identification of an old watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    Which does raise the question of why there isn't "Rolex" on the dial too. Possibly an example from the time that Rolex wasn't so famous yet and had to fight to be allowed to have its name on the dial (to C.T.: Hans Wilsdorf was actually a pioneer in the fight for watch companies to have their name on the dial - frequently, they had to have the jeweller's name who sold it in that place, or they wouldn't have made it into the shop!).

    The movement is a Rolex Cal. 250, actually an ebauche (raw movement) made by Aegler and also found in other brands (Alpina, Gruen):

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Rolex 250

    Thanks for opening it up after all and making our day!

    Hartmut Richter
    Hi Hartmut
    All you say is correct.
    Wilsdorf did not start to insist Rolex name was on his watches until 1927, and then he started with 2 pieces (out of 10) in each deliver, then 4 pieces and so on.
    So probably not till the 30s can we expect all watches to display ROLEX on the dial.

    I suspect this piece has some provenance, the lugs, embedded in diamonds looks like a crown or at least a 'crest' from a coat of arms.
    More research would be needed.

    I agree, thanks for opening it up.

    Super piece
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