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    Identify this oldie

    Ok, Challenge Sent!

    A coworker brought this in today for me to identify. I am no scholar by any means, but I thought I was better than this. See the pictures and ask all the questions. Appreciate any help!
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    Re: Identify this oldie

    The crown and the inner indices look a lot like Cartier. But I am no expert.


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    Re: Identify this oldie

    I'm sorry, we won't be able to even guess until we can see the movement and the inner case back markings. The case says "Germany" but that is no guarantee either - the two (case and watch) might not necessarily have left the shop together. All I can say at this stage is that it's from around the 1920s or early 1930s.....

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    Re: Identify this oldie

    See if this helps. We carefully opened the backing and found a great deal of information.Name:  20171228_095545.jpg
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    Re: Identify this oldie

    From Mikrolisk

    Word trade mark Image trade mark Manufacturer Location and details
    Zeta Otto Zubke Armbanduhren; Wilferdingen, Deutschland
    Zeta SGT Neuchâtel SA Neuchâtel, Schweiz
    Zeta Zeta Montres SA La Chaux-de-Fonds, Schweiz
    Zeta Fabrique d'Horlogerie Seeland/ Judith & Co. Uhren, Uhrenteile; Madretsch und La Chaux-de-Fonds, Schweiz; registriert am 30.1.1909
    Zeta Invicta SA / Seeland Inc. / (LesFils de) Raphael Picard / Eno Watch Co. La Chaux-de-Fonds, Le Locle und Biel, Schweiz; registriert am 26.8.1940
    Zeta Siemens-Schuckert-Werke AG Haupt-/Nebenuhren, elektrische Uhren; Berlin und München, Deutschland; 1903 Fusion zwischen Siemens und den Schuckert-Werken, heutige Siemens AG; registriert am 28.3.1944
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    Re: Identify this oldie

    Is this franken?
    Elgin case(with all the engravings is sure American style) and Zeta marked movement(which does not look anything like American).
    And one can spot that movement does not fit into the case perfectly, some gaps are visible
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    Re: Identify this oldie

    Well, the "Elgin" doesn't refer to the company by that name, it refers to the US city which seems to be the home of Illinois Watch Case Co. Having said that, it's definitely an American case and a Swiss movement - and not even the highest quality either. Cylindre escapement movement with six stones at a time that most others had switched to lever movements is a little anachronistic.....

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