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    identifying a Cyma movement

    I have a Cyma movement with the only identifying number 212541. Is there a way to identify the calibre from this number? Thanks. Rob

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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

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    I have a Cyma movement with the only identifying number 212541. Is there a way to identify the calibre from this number? Thanks. Rob
    Hi Rob
    I don't think I have seen any serial number records for CYMA/TAVANNES?

    Best way is to look on Roland Ranfft site (BIDFUN) and check out the CYMA movement there
    He is the best source of movement identification
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    Post a picture here and someone may do it for you

    Here is a link
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...ranfft&a&2uswk
    AND HERE are the CYMA movements
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...ranfft&a&2uswk
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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    Thankyou for the response. I have been looking at Dr Ranfft's archive which is organised by calibre and does have some example serial numbers for the particular calibre. I was hoping to find whether Cyma's serial numbering system related in anyway to the date or calibre. I'm used to the Seiko system. I am having trouble posting pictures to the site. I have posted pictures before but something must have changed. I'll need to read up again on how to do that. Thanks. Rob

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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    Quote Originally Posted by RobR View Post
    Thankyou for the response. I have been looking at Dr Ranfft's archive which is organised by calibre and does have some example serial numbers for the particular calibre. I was hoping to find whether Cyma's serial numbering system related in anyway to the date or calibre. I'm used to the Seiko system. I am having trouble posting pictures to the site. I have posted pictures before but something must have changed. I'll need to read up again on how to do that. Thanks. Rob
    Hi Rob
    No, very rarely do we have serial numbering to caliber type (Hamilton does)
    So you have to search painstakingly through each movement, and being a bit of an expert as Roland surely is.
    We can usually narrow down to a date by style of face and/or movement

    Try posting pictures
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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    What it needs is for someone to specialise in Cyma. Then they will be able to correlate the dateable watches with the serial numbers. It helps if its a team effort. Until then its going to be difficult to know just what the serial numbers mean.


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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    Agreed as Barry, Mike ( and others ) did with Gruen.
    Painstaking work.

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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    Quote Originally Posted by RobR View Post
    Is there a way to identify the calibre from this number?
    In a mass-production environment, serial numbers are usually assigned "runs" or blocks of numbers, and usually all the watches produced in a single run will be the same caliber. The NAWCC waltham database (which is based on factory records), in an example of such as system, and since the factory records were available, we can (usually) tell what a Waltham is just by the serial. The American manufacturers were quite meticulous about these types of records; the swiss, somewhat less so.
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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    I'm unconvinced that the Swiss were less meticulous. Rather the issue is that their archives didn't survive the quartz crisis when the factories were closed and the archives were dumped.


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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    In a mass-production environment, serial numbers are usually assigned "runs" or blocks of numbers, and usually all the watches produced in a single run will be the same caliber. The NAWCC waltham database (which is based on factory records), in an example of such as system, and since the factory records were available, we can (usually) tell what a Waltham is just by the serial. The American manufacturers were quite meticulous about these types of records; the swiss, somewhat less so.
    Thats because these factories were in the vicinity of the NAWCC Museum
    That allowed them (especially with Hamilton) to get the 'dumped' records from these companies

    The people that lived and worked in these factories - also live close to the Museum
    The knowledge was contained, the records denoted to the Museum
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    Re: identifying a Cyma movement

    I think it's more case that the American factories were soup-to-nuts operations. The Swiss were more of a community operation, with multiple sources of components, and the finished watch would commonly go through two or three different "factories" before arriving in front of the consumer.
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