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    Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    This is a re-post from a few weeks ago..military and pilots watches guys passed it by as it`s obviously not rare or valueable enough for consideration :0) -but I`m still curious.

    HI,
    my first post in this forum having stumbled across from my usual territory of vintage and pocket watches.
    I was recently lucky enough to stumble across this nice Waltham PW as part of a job lot.
    Since taking these photo`s I have cleaned up the case and adjusted the regulator and it runs amazingly accurately.

    Some of the guys in vintage,along with my own Googling seem to have found a few basic facts-hopefully you specialist guys could confirm ?
    It`s a Waltham 1609 model (size 16 ,9 jewels)
    Serial number dates it to about 1942 and the first 4 digits of the long number on the case back 0552 denote issue to the Royal Navy.
    If those are correct I have a few more questions I`m interested in finding answers to if anyone can help ? :

    The T on the dial would seem to denote a possibly later upgrade/replacement dial to either the risks of Radium or the fact that the luminosity would begin to tail off -can anyone confirm this ? Was this done official through the M.O.D. ??

    What does the 3 digit number above the pheon denote please ?

    Does anyone know what the full long reference number denotes ?

    It seems a pretty complex but fascinating area but having only having dipped my toe into these waters over the last two days my brain has been overwhelmed :0)
    Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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    Re: Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    Hello,

    As far as I'm aware the three digit number is how many have been issued in that run, so yours was the 953rd of that run.

    The longer number is a NATO stock code, probably added when the dial was changed as the engraving is different, 0552 is Royal Navy, I'm assuming the 520-8048 is the stock code for a pocket watch.

    I hope this helps.

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    Re: Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    Nice Pocket watch the T will mean tritium paint. The case and movement looks like this http://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/362745/a-1940s-waltham-military-pocket-watch/ wonder if the dial was a replacement or was made with the waltham wording for military?

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    Re: Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    Thanks for the additional info Matt.
    I`ve been googling without much luck to find out those bits of info.
    I`ve also drawn a blank on the re-lume/re-dial point -I`d always assumed Pocket watches would have been somewhat out-dated by WW2 so I was surprised they actuactually bothered to re do them.
    All the Waltham`s I`ve come across on the web have the original signed Waltham dial with no "T"

    Maybe the navy used them until a later date as paperweights on board to keep their charts unrolled when on a map table ? :0)
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    Re: Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    I think they still used them for quite a while, it's adjusted for temperatures and 3 positions and pocket watches tend to be very accurate which is good on a ship.

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    Re: Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    Quote Originally Posted by busmatt View Post
    I think they still used them for quite a while, it's adjusted for temperatures and 3 positions and pocket watches tend to be very accurate which is good on a ship.

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    A lot of milwatches dating back to the WW2 remained in service well into the 1960s, so I guess it's an early 1960s "MoD redial." Of course, if it's a metal dial - if enamel, that'd make it a replacement dial, since the tritium marking could not be added to an enamel one; as we all know, enamel dials cannot be repainted.
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    Re: Info help on my first military issue watch sought please.

    Thanks for the addition info mkws..if they were still using the watches into the 1960`s then an official redial would make sense I guess.
    It`s a metal dial .
    I think I reead that this calibre was produced also with a lower and higher jewel count so mine seems to be mid range.
    I`m a bit more informed about wristwatches so was quite surprised to find out that it was adjusted in 3 positions plus for temperature which I believed is usually the preserve of higher spec wristwatches.
    It`s still keeping great time so I will have to decide wether to invest in a chain to wear it occassionally or just use it as a desk clock on a stand or something.
    Does anyone know if the M.o.D in Britain called watches in periodically for servicing ? Or was it left to military personnel to have their own watches checked ?
    It looks like most of the questions have been answered -thanks guys.

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