Information need on my Qte Salter Russian pocket watch?

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    Information need on my Qte Salter Russian pocket watch?

    Hello there, new to the forum and thought it looked like a great place to find out more information on my Qte Salter pocket watch, that I won at auction this week.

    I have found general information about John Salter from London, and his quality mark for Russian made, swiss movement watches of the time.

    I am very keen to find out as much as possible about this particular watch. Is it genuine? Maybe an estimated date it was produced, anything at all really.

    It also has Russian or Ukranian text inside, the back of the casing.

    I know very little about watches so I'm turning to you for help.

    Thank you very much in advance.

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    Re: Information need on my Qte Salter Russian pocket watch?

    Hi!
    These late 19th Century watches made for Russia often used brands 'stolen' from English tradition, like Salter or Tobias. I don't even think the Russian buyers were aware of that, but who knows. Definitely they were not advertised as English watches. Tobias was actually used as a brand, while Salter were used in the 'Qte Salter' way, meaning Qualite Salter - or Salter Quality if you like.
    I think it was meant to indicate the quality of the particu;lar movement used.

    Traditionally, the indicated number of jewels is wrong, it's a 15 jewel watch, but I think more Russian Swiss watches of the time have the wrong number than the correct one. Even reputable exporters, like G.F.Jacot did that.

    The rest of the markings on the caseback are just Russian translation of what you normally see on Swiss watches of the time.

    It would be: Spiral Breguet Ancre de Precision Leeves visibles 23 pieres on a Swiss marked back.

    All in all - a nice piece. Many of these watches have replaced movements, BTW, but the Breguet overcoil on yours looks very promising - it should be the right one.
    Have a great day!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmwas View Post
    Hi!
    These late 19th Century watches made for Russia often used brands 'stolen' from English tradition, like Salter or Tobias. I don't even think the Russian buyers were aware of that, but who knows. Definitely they were not advertised as English watches. Tobias was actually used as a brand, while Salter were used in the 'Qte Salter' way, meaning Qualite Salter - or Salter Quality if you like.
    I think it was meant to indicate the quality of the particu;lar movement used.

    Traditionally, the indicated number of jewels is wrong, it's a 15 jewel watch, but I think more Russian Swiss watches of the time have the wrong number than the correct one. Even reputable exporters, like G.F.Jacot did that.

    The rest of the markings on the caseback are just Russian translation of what you normally see on Swiss watches of the time.

    It would be: Spiral Breguet Ancre de Precision Leeves visibles 23 pieres on a Swiss marked back.

    All in all - a nice piece. Many of these watches have replaced movements, BTW, but the Breguet overcoil on yours looks very promising - it should be the right one.
    Thank you for taking the time to give me some information on my watch.

    Would you recommend taking it in to a specialist? I am in Poland in January 2018, heading to Warsaw. Any watch specialist reccomendations there?

    Thanks again.

    Kieran

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    Re: Information need on my Qte Salter Russian pocket watch?

    Hi Kieran,

    some Swiss makers agreed to certain quality levels and called them Qualité Boutte, Qualité Salter etc. But I'm afraid today nobody knows who participated, and which specs were assigned to which quality. In the web you occasionally read that this was done for the Russian market, but I've seen to many without any Cyrillic letter to believe it.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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