Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

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    Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    My opinion is that this watch was made by Jules Jurgensen. Would someone please confirm that or point me in the right direction as to maker and model or caliber of movement.

    The Case is 18K marked with a K18 Hallmark. The Curvette is Marked LASH &Co, King St. Toronto with a serial number identical to the movement. The Movement is marked Lash & Co. Toronto, N 35544.

    The Dial is also marked Lash & Co. Lash is listed in Toronto Directories for 1865 and 1870.

    The Case is 42.75mm, the movement is 35.2 mm

    Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    The serial number seems a bit high for 1870. What leads you to believe it was from Jules Jurgensen?
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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    Lash was in buisness in 1870, I didn't mean they went out of business then. The former owner told me that someone found this movement layout with a close serial number in a book a few years ago and sid it was Jurgensen. I am looking for some expert opinion, which I am not. Thanks, Jim

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    Very nice high quality watch.
    Do you know the reason or meaning of the geometric design on the inner cover?

    I'd say your watch was made in the Locle region of Switzerland going by its general bridge design
    and the long pallet lever which is pivoted outside of the balance dia.

    It looks like a Jurgensen, but there were many others who followed this style of design in this region and
    I think your watch is by one of these others.

    Jurgensens I have seen, have a distinct balance cock design with tails, partially encircling the balance,
    and the other tail 'sweeping' to the center bridge as in this example...

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    I would agree that it is very likely a Jules Jurgensen movement. Here is a similar example in Ranfft:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Jules Jrgensen 19

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    The decoration on this watch around the Serial number on the movment is the same as some JJ signed movments.

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    I would agree that it is very likely a Jules Jurgensen movement. Here is a similar example in Ranfft:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Jules Jrgensen 19

    Hartmut Richter
    I note your example has the distinctive two tailed balance cock I described above but
    the OP's does not. There are also other differences such as the distinctive long regulator
    which Jurgensen invariably used.
    Last edited by radger; February 22nd, 2013 at 23:58.

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    True - but that feature was not exclusive to JJ movements, e.g.:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Mobile 19.5H6

    I am no expert on JJ movements but the overall features - "open" layout with large gaps between bridges, long, thin lever with cock on the same level as the main bridges, overall high quality with angled bridges - lead me to believe that it is by JJ.

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    I think the Geommetric design on the Curvette my have been Jeweler added. I have no clue as to what it might represent.

    I found a few JJ movent phots that show a different layout but the exact same N with a sweeping circle surrounding the serial number. Is this common in other makers?

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    Re: Jules Jurgensen Key Wind Identification Request

    Quote Originally Posted by antiquetrader View Post
    The decoration on this watch around the Serial number on the movment is the same as some JJ signed movments.
    Yes it is similar indeed, but this would be the style of engraving in the Locle area at this time and it is also quite possible
    that the same engraver was working for numerous watchmakers in the area.

    In this thread I posted a while back can be seen other makers from the Locle with this distinctive bridge design,
    note the tails on the Jurgensen cock of ArtB's watch....

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/up-...ch-461425.html
    Last edited by radger; February 23rd, 2013 at 00:10.

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