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    "Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad." Helvetia 32 ?

    Something historically interesting for watch stuff in Lithuania I have found today.

    Engraving:
    Kaziui Žižiui
    1935 III 4
    Liet. Šiaul. Sk.
    Bendrad.

    Some words are abbreviated, full engraving would look like this:
    Kaziui Žižiui
    1935 III 4
    Lietuvos Šiaulių Skyrius
    Bendradarbiai

    Translation:
    For Kazys Žyžys
    1935 III 4
    Šiauliai department, Lithuania
    From coworkers

    Also there is engraving on backcover "KŽ"

    Should have beed quite an expensive watch in the day. It is chronometer grade with 3 adj. and platina plated. You can see "PLATININE" between engraving letters.
    And it was not some safe queen because the backcover plating is gone so must have been used as a daily beater.

    Movement looks like modified Helvetia 32/32A or something pre 32.
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Helvetia 32A

    Anyone with a ninja-caliber-recognition skills is more than welcome :)

    What the hell is "Lifetime"?
    Mikrolisk gives several results Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index
    Most likely are Lifetime Bulova and Lifetime Macy. I removed Mace from candidates because Lifetime was something "Lifetime series"...
    So it may have some connection to Bulova.
    But how did that thing end up in Lithuania?
    1935 is between WW1 and WW2 when Lithuania was an independant European country and maybe imported some oversees luxury stuff :/






    Something bad happened in 1936 and lousy watchmaker just glued the dial back... One dial pin is missing
    Back of dial is all in some oil/glue. So is the front of movement.

    Balance staff is sitting strong and stable so I think it should go no problem after cleaning all that oil/glue.
    Mainspring is broken





    I have requested a reseller for more history of this watch because he can contact with the owner. This watch was that owner's grandfather's
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Cool/
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    I doubt it's Chronometer" grade; there were a lot of watches that use "Chronometre" or variations simply as grand sounding trade names in this era, especially into small countries outside the scope of major trademark registries.

    I find the design rather interesting; the size of the crown wheel relative to the ratchet wheel is a surprising ratio. I'd love to see the dial side of this.

    Its probably not from Helvetia though; the pallet bridge/cock difference isn't one that you'd typically find on watches from the same manufacturer. Likewise the use of top-down screws on the balance cap jewel on yours versus the bottom up design used by Helvetia
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    I doubt it's Chronometer" grade; there were a lot of watches that use "Chronometre" or variations simply as grand sounding trade names in this era, especially into small countries outside the scope of major trademark registries.

    I find the design rather interesting; the size of the crown wheel relative to the ratchet wheel is a surprising ratio. I'd love to see the dial side of this.

    Its probably not from Helvetia though; the pallet bridge/cock difference isn't one that you'd typically find on watches from the same manufacturer. Likewise the use of top-down screws on the balance cap jewel on yours versus the bottom up design used by Helvetia
    "CHRONOMTETRE"
    Was probably the previous watch, this dial has been fitted onto this movement (with glue)
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Hm You think it is franken?
    Dial pins fit just fine but one of them is broken off so was glued on :/
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Dial actually reads "Chronometer", not "Chronometre" or "CHRONOMTETRE", so it could possibly be one?
    Position of missing dial foot matches the position of the locating hole on the movement, so the dial is most likely the original, and not a replacement.
    "Lifetime" name is different to the Bulova registered name "Gift of a Lifetime", which is most likely simply an advertising "gimmick", as no watch or advert for a watch bearing that name has been seen.
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by laikrodukas View Post
    Hm You think it is franken?
    Dial pins fit just fine but one of them is broken off so was glued on :/
    ah, ok my misunderstanding, I thought completely different.
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Note that it says "3 Adjustments", which is pretty low (and not to be confused with "adjusted to 3 positions", which actually be 5 or 6 adjustments total).
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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Note that it says "3 Adjustments", which is pretty low (and not to be confused with "adjusted to 3 positions", which actually be 5 or 6 adjustments total).
    Ah, so does that mean it is not a chronometer?

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    Re: Kaziui Žižiui. 1935 III 4. Liet. Šiaul. Sk. Bendrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Note that it says "3 Adjustments", which is pretty low (and not to be confused with "adjusted to 3 positions", which actually be 5 or 6 adjustments total).
    Really, there is a defined difference between those statements?
    i never saw that, can you point to some article or reasoning.

    and _Chronometer" versus "chronometre" is jusr country language spelling, no difference (i believe) in specification, indeed I have seen Rolex's with both spellings on the dial.
    "CHRONOMTETRE" is a figment of my bad spelling
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