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    Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Hi. I bought this pocket watch online for less that $10 - couldn't tell from the photos exactly what it was and listed as "not working".

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    Well it turned up yesterday - solid silver case, enamel dial in perfect condition, Robert Thuire et fils movement; and reason wasn't working was that the loose minute hand was jamming the sub-second. Been running 24 hours now and spot-on timing.

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    1. How do I remove the movement so I can properly clean the case? There is one case screw that I can see (top left in photo) and I have released but to no apparent affect.

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    2. Is it possible to date this watch from the movement number; 22645

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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Can't help you with that, but with movement ID- yes. Generic Lepine IV layout.
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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    That should be a half screw head. Turned then you should be able to push it lightly out the front but do it towards the bottom section not up by the stem.

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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Quote Originally Posted by thoth View Post
    That should be a half screw head. Turned then you should be able to push it lightly out the front but do it towards the bottom section not up by the stem.

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    Hmmm. Yes its a half head but seems stuck fast. There is no "stem" as such but do you mean there may be a locating lug where a stem would be if it wasn't a key winder?

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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Oh, and lest I forget- the Lepine IV layout was in use 1835-1850, going by the info in Mikrolisk:
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    I don't think that the movement number (serial, if one can call it that) is of any help, really.
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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Just for my own edification - The case says 'FINE SILVER'. What grade does that indicate? 800? 950?
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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    Oh, and lest I forget- the Lepine IV layout was in use 1835-1850, going by the info in Mikrolisk:
    Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index
    I don't think that the movement number (serial, if one can call it that) is of any help, really.
    Oh! That old? Mikrolisk also has an entry saying "Paris, Frankreich; um 1868". What is that referring to?

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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Shangas View Post
    Just for my own edification - The case says 'FINE SILVER'. What grade does that indicate? 800? 950?
    From - Vintage Watch Straps - Straps and Bands for Vintage Wristwatches

    "Until 1880 Swiss gold watches were usually stamped with the gold fineness, usually 14 carats, a popular standard on the continent, and silver watches were often simply marked "Fine Silver", an unspecified standard of fineness that in the light of later standards was probably around 0.800 or 80% silver."

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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    I've always understood "Fine Silver" to be .999(minimum). This is as compared to sterling at .925 and coin at .900(American) or .800(European). Here's a similar usage of the phrasing, albeit on a different metal.

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    Re: Key wound silver pocket watch - how do I remove the movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Hodmandod View Post
    Oh! That old? Mikrolisk also has an entry saying "Paris, Frankreich; um 1868". What is that referring to?
    "Paris, France; circa 1868". Approximate year of the trademark appearing in any registers. Well, that's what the entry appears to suggest- my German is limited to "ein Bier, bitte" and "mehr Bier, bitte".
    Maybe Mikrolisk gets these years of production (1835-1850) wrong- I haven't got any better info, though.
    Or the 1868 registration date is incorrect? No idea, really. Especially that Mikrolisk is nowhere near infallible...
    Of course, the possibility that Thuire has still been making movements using the Lepine IV layout by 1868 cannot- and should not- be ruled out.
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