Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

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    Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    I have this watch that was given to me as a wedding present from Grandfather. It's not working and requires extensive repairs between 1000-3000 euros worth which is an estimate from a Horologist who will provide me a year's guarantee for his efforts.

    Can anyone help me out here?

    1) Is it worth spending 1000 euros to give the basic restoration/repairs needed?

    2) What is the value of this watch as it is now - not working?

    3) What is the value if it is fully restored with a guarantee?

    4) The chain has some letters engraved on it - does this give clues to the watch's origin?

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    This appears to be a very sophisticated and rare triple date featuring a mondphase, quarter repeater chronograph pocket watch for men indeed from the early 20th century.
    You did not show a photo of the movement, nor you indicated what the repair/restoration is about (Is it simply to service the watch or are there any missing/broken parts?).
    To me, 1000 EU budget to make it work seems fair assuming there are parts to repair ir make on top of labor. For labor alone, I find it exaggerated.

    As for the value of the piece, It is not supposed to be discussed here but think 5 figures in EU...when RUNNING properly.
    At this stage, probably a 25-50% premium above the melt value of the gold (Which is high enough these days ).

    The markings on the chain have no relevance to the watch and/or its movement whatsoever.

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    There is an almost identical watch by Zenith in Rössler's book on that company which is from "around 1900" (although he states that the Zenith has a minute repeater). What makes you think that yours is by Le Phare? I presume the movement is by them (they were among the few that specialised in that sort of movement). However, the inner back cover has "Record" on it which suggests the Record Watch Co. of Tramelan. This was founded in 1903 so it would be in keeping with the general age of your watch.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    Thanks for your insight - I don't have a photo of the inner parts and at the moment the watch is with the Horologist who may carry out the repairs. The watch doesn't work and the Horologist states that the repairs and restoration needed are as follows:

    1) Full dismantling, examination cleaning
    2) Burnishing of all pivots
    3) Escapement adjustments
    4) Restoration of terminal "Breguet" overcoil curve
    5) Positional adjustments (3-5) positions and isochronism
    6) Movement fixing screw (broken and missing)
    7) Original style hands fitting (Louis IVI), gold plating
    8) High polishing of all steel parts
    9) Graining of chronograph levers
    10) Chronograph wheel jewel replacement (cracked)
    11) Polishing of repeater gongs
    12) Overhauling of chronograph and repeater section-adjustments
    13) Date jumper spring adjustment

    The watchcase itself needs the following:

    Removal of dents and scratchess, polishing, rear bezel repair, polish of case and locking spring, cutting and fitting of front and rear glasses, bow adjustment.

    In other words it needs quite a bit - as I said the Horologist has stated this would be between 1000-3000 euros depending on how much of this is carried out and needs up to 3 months to be carried out.

    Sorry for raising the issue of value, but as I wish to put it to auction I am curious about the ideal auction house to approach or private collector forums other than ebay :) or any other suggestions

    Your comment

    "The markings on the chain have no relevance to the watch and/or its movement whatsoever."

    does this mean that the chain did not originally come with this watch or that the chain is not a pocketwatch chain and has just come to be linked to this watch?

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    Thanks for your reply. The Horologist who currently is examining the watch has informed me that it a Le Phare watch- your comments have now raised new questions as to the manufacturer behind this time piece. I will now be in touch with the Horologist to raise this issue with him. As soon as I learn the reasoning behind his conclusion that it is a Le Phare watch I shall post a comment here.
    Thanks Hartmut

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    I have no definite knowledge but suspect that almost all pocket watches that come on chains were not sold on those chains originally. If they did, they would carry the manufacturer's mark (like the buckles on straps and bracelets).

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    Quote Originally Posted by eleftheria View Post
    Thanks for your reply. The Horologist who currently is examining the watch has informed me that it a Le Phare watch- your comments have now raised new questions as to the manufacturer behind this time piece. I will now be in touch with the Horologist to raise this issue with him. As soon as I learn the reasoning behind his conclusion that it is a Le Phare watch I shall post a comment here.

    I think it's fair to assume that your watch is indeed made by Le Phare.

    A quick search of the internet reveals similar examples with triple complication in either minute or quarter repeater examples.

    http://piaget.watchprosite.com/id-10...ection.detail/

    lot 344 in this link

    La Cote des Montres : Vente aux enchères Antiquorum N°235 - le 08-05-2010 - Important Collectors' Wristwatches, Pocket Watches & Clocks

    A rare and valuable watch whatever you decide and if your watchmaker will do the work he describes in his estimate
    for 1000 euros then I would say this is a fair and reasonable price for such work, but 1000-3000 is a very wide estimate.

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    Re: Le Phare 18K gold "hunters" case manufactured c.1900-1910

    The chain is not "original" to the watch, for the pure fact that there is no such thing.

    Watches and chains were bought separately. They were never sold as sets. You bought the watch, then you bought the chain that you wanted to go with it. Not as a "package deal".
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