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    "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    Lately I've been looking at some vintage auctions on ebay for watches like this:
    RARE Branded Swiss Classy CH Barbier Geneve Watch Enamel Dial Gold Plated Case | eBay

    Part of me is drawn to this antiques:
    1) They look classy
    2) Nice big watch face

    The part that scares me is:
    1) Maintenance may be a nightmare (I am in denver, so perhaps someone can recommend a great watch shop)
    2) I know nothing about these ancient brands

    Thoughts on this? Basically I was looking for an antique to be worn on special occasions or something.

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    a lot of collectors don't like this sort of thing as it violates some unwritten code of purism. i don't have a problem with it as long as any changes made are reversible if someone wishes to restore the piece to its original form. that said, there are technical concerns. first, it's almost 50mm. are you really interested in wearing something that large? we're getting into flava flav territory here. if that's ok with you, then other things to consider: was the adaptation done well? some of these guys can damage the watch movement in order make this sort of thing work. that's BS and shouldn't be condoned. also, there is no shock protection on the balances of most these old pocket watch movements. i personally think this concern is a little bit over-blown, but is a real issue. as far as maintenance, i don't think it would be any different from any other mechanical movement- for standard service that is. one thing to consider is that if somethign breaks- i mean really breaks- you can't just hop on the old intarweb and get a part for it. hell, you may not even see another movement like this for years. that means an honest to god watchmaker is going to have to fabricate the part/parts. that isn't cheap.

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    Not for me. Generally way too big - it's the watch equivalent of buying a car and making a monster truck out of it.

    Still, that might be cool in Denver

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    Quote Originally Posted by sherwoodschwartz View Post
    a lot of collectors don't like this sort of thing as it violates some unwritten code of purism. i don't have a problem with it as long as any changes made are reversible if someone wishes to restore the piece to its original form. that said, there are technical concerns. first, it's almost 50mm. are you really interested in wearing something that large? we're getting into flava flav territory here. if that's ok with you, then other things to consider: was the adaptation done well? some of these guys can damage the watch movement in order make this sort of thing work. that's BS and shouldn't be condoned. also, there is no shock protection on the balances of most these old pocket watch movements. i personally think this concern is a little bit over-blown, but is a real issue. as far as maintenance, i don't think it would be any different from any other mechanical movement- for standard service that is. one thing to consider is that if somethign breaks- i mean really breaks- you can't just hop on the old intarweb and get a part for it. hell, you may not even see another movement like this for years. that means an honest to god watchmaker is going to have to fabricate the part/parts. that isn't cheap.
    so 50mm is a bit big - you're correct. I think mid 40's is best. That's a good point. Are there any particular brands that are more reliable or more widely sold and more easily repaired?

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddman View Post
    Not for me. Generally way too big - it's the watch equivalent of buying a car and making a monster truck out of it.

    Still, that might be cool in Denver
    +1 for the unnecessary barb at denver

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    The "huge watch without shock proofing on the wrist" is a real problem, not an imaginary one. The trouble with large PW movements is that they have large balances. A shock of equal intensity to a small watch without shock proofing an a large one with large movement - and large balance! - without shock proofing is rather more likely to bust the latter. And never mind how much we take care, it is almost impossible to never knock a watch on the wrist.....and that once may be enough. And parts are almost impossible to find and expensive to remake.

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    I once liked these watches coming out of Ukraine, I bought a Zenith 1910 sterling silver with a seconds sub dial at 9. I paid around $400.00 dollars. This was 6 years ago, since then I have learned a lot. These are Frankenstein watches and are not worth anything. In most cases even the movement are not real. They use old Russian pocket watch movements and then engrave them with brand names. If you do a bit of research you will find a lot of information on these watches. The dials are not real either. Please research before wasting your hard earned money on these pieces.
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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    + the magnetism issue.Mind you there were no TVs and so many electronic devices around when this watch was used,so the mainspring is made from steel,it can easily get magnetized.

    + these watches were intented to spend their life in the pockets,most of the time in vertical positions when worn.They are adjusted also accordingly,now on wrist mainly upside down and arm movements you will not be able to track the time accurately.If you get 15-20 min deviation per day you are lucky.

    I am not favouring these conversions at all,if someone really wants to conserve it,they should case it in PW cases not wrist-watch case.Stay away from these kind of inter-specific creatures.If you like something big face look for original or tribute 'beobachtungsuhr' models.

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    Quote Originally Posted by 303watch View Post
    +1 for the unnecessary barb at denver
    I do love Denver actually, but thanks for the +1

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    Re: "Marraige" watches or vintage pocketwatch converstions - talk me out of it,

    Quote Originally Posted by Emre View Post
    + the magnetism issue.Mind you there were no TVs and so many electronic devices around when this watch was used,so the mainspring is made from steel,it can easily get magnetized.

    + these watches were intented to spend their life in the pockets,most of the time in vertical positions when worn.They are adjusted also accordingly,now on wrist mainly upside down and arm movements you will not be able to track the time accurately.If you get 15-20 min deviation per day you are lucky.

    I am not favouring these conversions at all,if someone really wants to conserve it,they should case it in PW cases not wrist-watch case.Stay away from these kind of inter-specific creatures.If you like something big face look for original or tribute 'beobachtungsuhr' models.
    You sir, have "talked me out of it"!

    thanks!

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