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    Minerva help please

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    I recently purchased this Minerva watch and I am trying to find out some information about the company and the watch. The watch appears to run very well and is in pretty good shape, save for some scratches on the crystal. Also, it appears the previous owner did not use the proper tool in an attempt to remove the screw back, so it has some scratches.

    Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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    We will need movement pics to say much. The dial looks like one from the 40s or 50s. Strangely the caseback looks like it is laser etched in the photo. But that is impossible as that technology is fairly recent. So he caseback may be a replacement.

    Minerva was a Swiss company that bought movements and dials and cases and probably had them assembled. They then handled the wholesale distribution to jewelers and other retailers. They are gone now.

    This watch looks very distinguished. I hope you have it serviced for wear!
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    The company was revived, in Switzerland, but I'm not sure if its still going. A lot of info here:

    Like Phoenix from the ashes - the rebirth of Minerva

    This minervawatches.com doesn't seem very 'alive'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post

    Minerva was a Swiss company that bought movements and dials and cases and probably had them assembled. They then handled the wholesale distribution to jewelers and other retailers. They are gone now.
    Beg pardon, but Minerva was not merely an etablisseur. It made many of its own movements, including the cal 13-20, a rather well regarded chronograph movement. In my book, Minerva ranks as one of the great chronograph houses of yore, along with Angelus, Excelsior Park/Gallet, and Universal Geneve.

    I believe Montblanc bought Minerva in 2007 and uses them in its efforts to establish itself as a real manufacture. The name lives on as their high-end in house movement branch, the Institut Minerva de Recherche en Haute Horlogerie. It is not clear to me what the sale included - whether just rights to the name, or also personnel, expertise and physical plant. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouS View Post
    Beg pardon, but Minerva was not merely an etablisseur. It made many of its own movements, including the cal 13-20, a rather well regarded chronograph movement. In my book, Minerva ranks as one of the great chronograph houses of yore, along with Angelus, Excelsior Park/Gallet, and Universal Geneve.

    I believe Montblanc bought Minerva in 2007 and uses them in its efforts to establish itself as a real manufacture. The name lives on as their high-end in house movement branch, the Institut Minerva de Recherche en Haute Horlogerie. It is not clear to me what the sale included - whether just rights to the name, or also personnel, expertise and physical plant. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
    Minerva, Villeret, was a respected manufacturer of watches using high quality in house movements, including their own chronograph movements. They are an example of the downside of joining a consortium such as Swatch, etc. They were acquired by Richemont and strings were pulled internally to the effect that Montblanc, a pen (pushing) brand with practically no history in watchmaking, was to be upgraded to a luxury brand at the expense of Minerva: Minerva were taken over by Montblanc, forced to stop making watches altogether and is now confined to designing and making movements for Montblanc who put them in their watches. So, Minerva still lives on but their watches have another name on the dial.....

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    One of the nice things about Vintage is, if you see a mistake, you can be fairly sure someone will quickly correct it. I stand (sit actually) corrected.

    Thanks guys!
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    We would still like a photo of the movement. I'm certainly curious!
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    Here is a picture of the movement and case back. Also, as to the mention of the laser etch of the logo on the case back. I think it is actually acid etched or sand blasted. Does anyone have any idea as to when this might have been produced? Thanks for all the input!



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    Hmmmmmm. That movement actually looks rather like a Valjoux Cal. 23 and not a Minerva movement:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Valjoux 23

    Minerva also used Valjoux movements so I doubt that it's a fake. Nevertheless, it might have been a little more exciting to find an in house movement inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    Hmmmmmm. That movement actually looks rather like a Valjoux Cal. 23 and not a Minerva movement:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Valjoux 23

    Minerva also used Valjoux movements so I doubt that it's a fake. Nevertheless, it might have been a little more exciting to find an in house movement inside.

    Hartmut Richter
    Since it appears to be a Valjoux movement isn't that a good thing? I saw some information on http://chronomaddox.com/valjoux/72_7...00w/page_1.jpg and I thought it appeared to be a Valjoux 72, and looking at the movement I can see a 72 stamped in it under the balance wheel. I don't know if one is better over the other honestly. It seems like this could be a valuable vintage watch and if I could nail down the era it was made would be better still. Thanks again for all the input!

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