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    Movement ID Help

    Hello,

    Friend gave me two pocket watches to see about fixing them or not.

    The Waltham was easy enough but the second one is proving more difficult.

    Dial says Armstrong Bros Jewelers, Vancouver, BC

    Movement says same thing. Also has serial number and a brevet number of 8760. 13 Ligne in size.

    Any ideas of what this little fella might be?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Movement ID Help

    It is an Omega 13'''. Your friend got lucky. You can date it by serial number using one of the many charts on the internet.
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    Thanks Trim.

    Seems it was made about 1903.

    I suspect that it is not worth all that much to the friend. He can melt down the gold in his shop as the case is 14k gold filled.

    Beyond that, the movement is much better looking in person aside from the corrosion.

    Parts to fix? Need model number, I assume.

    Would Omega help with that?

    I don't deal with pocket watches but I am getting interested because I am about to come into a rather nice one as a thank you gift from another friend. So now I am paying more attention...

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    Re: Movement ID Help

    It'd be a shame to destroy the case for the rather insignificant amount of gold.

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    Re: Movement ID Help

    I suggest you price the complete watch value, it is likely to far exceed the gold value being an early Omega.

    People lose so much money making that decision all the time.

    For instance, I bought the movement from a melted solid gold demi hunter, late 1800s Omega (well pre Omega actually). Showing it to the Omega museum, they shared my opinion that someone threw away many thousands of $ by melting the case (it was exceptionally rare and in their book as their first wrist watch). Now I am not suggesting your friends is such a rare one, but at least look into it.

    The melt value, especially for a gold filled case, is miniscule. Is the case signed?


    Omega movements from this period are not well documented or supported. The 13''' is fairly uncommon. A staff should be possible, mainspring is generic. I don't see anything missing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hns-panama View Post
    Thanks Trim.

    Seems it was made about 1903.

    I suspect that it is not worth all that much to the friend. He can melt down the gold in his shop as the case is 14k gold filled.

    Beyond that, the movement is much better looking in person aside from the corrosion.

    Parts to fix? Need model number, I assume.

    Would Omega help with that?

    I don't deal with pocket watches but I am getting interested because I am about to come into a rather nice one as a thank you gift from another friend. So now I am paying more attention...
    Last edited by trim; February 28th, 2016 at 22:33.
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    Re: Movement ID Help

    Will do.

    I will make those suggestions to the owner. I suspected the movement was rather nice given the finish.

    The case has Sovereign as the maker and marked "F 14 k 25 years".

    Rather nice looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by trim View Post
    I suggest you price the complete watch value, it is likely to far exceed the gold value being an early Omega.

    People lose so much money making that decision all the time.

    For instance, I bought the movement from a melted solid gold demi hunter, late 1800s Omega (well pre Omega actually). Showing it to the Omega museum, they shared my opinion that someone threw away many thousands of $ by melting the case (it was exceptionally rare and in their book as their first wrist watch). Now I am not suggesting your friends is such a rare one, but at least look into it.

    The melt value, especially for a gold filled case, is miniscule. Is the case signed?


    Omega movements from this period are not well documented or supported. The 13''' is fairly uncommon. A staff should be possible, mainspring is generic. I don't see anything missing?

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