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    Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Hi,

    I thank you in advance for any help you can provide. The attached images are of a Patek from my Grandfather. He claimed it to be real, and has recently passed on. We are trying to determine the value of it and try, perhaps, to sell it.

    Can you please help me figure this out? There is only a small marking on the back panel; I can upload more images in greater detail.

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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Hello, It looks like a 60s-70's Model in a custom designed case/band, there is a famous designer who was making watches for movie stars back then, BILL SHOOK, he worked in a Famous Jewelry store in Beverly Hills , he was designing the Gold Nugget style watches for Customers with Patek.
    Of course this is just speculation on my part, the actual designer could have been someone else, but Bill Shook started the Gold Nugget rage that lasted for 20 years.

    I should mention we do not do Evaluations of Watches, see the Sticky in forum Rules.
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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Hi and welcome. I have no idea whether its real or not. If it is then it would have been very, very, expensive when new.

    You need to take it to a specialist high-end appraiser - who would also be able to give you a valuation. Its just not possible to do such things on-line, and as Fantasyvoyager has said, we don't attempt to do so in here.

    Good luck with it.
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    Please don't PM me to ask for a valuation - I won't attempt one.

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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Hi Redbarron,

    the design may represent an own value, but let's be honest: Every owner of a hammer can easily copy it. So the first step should be to open the case and make a photo of the movement. This would give a first idea about the authenticy. And if the movement proves to be from Patek Philippe, it is worth the bucks to get an achive extract, which will contain detailled informations about the case and its maker.

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    Hmmm... 'Quartz'. Looks like acryllic crystal. Probably late 1970s or 1980s. There's probably not a lot of on-line information about quartz Pateks.
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    And is made of What? If gold, any jewelery store will tell you, even i can see if its gold or not.. Its more heavy and has a different glow.

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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Looks like a modded Jumbo Beta. The ones that I've seen have different hands...but I believe some housed a quartz movement.

    Then the "quartz" on the dial seems a bit out of place. I recently had an opportunity to purchase a quartz PP (a PP...any PP is my grail...but the one they were offering me didn't convince me with regards to authenticity) and spent some time looking and comparing...I don't recall the word "quartz" ever being on the dial of any PP...but I may be wrong.

    You really have to open the watch up...PP quartz movements are signed very uniquely.

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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Hi Everyone,

    Thank you for posting. I am planning to go to an appraiser in Manhattan to have it checked out. I'll update as soon as I have anything; hoping for the best.

    Thought perhaps there were markings on the outside that would indicate anything about the watch.

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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    To the best of my knowledge, the only mens quartz watch Patek ever made was their Beta 21 effort from the early 70's. This is not such a watch.
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    Re: Is my Grandads Patek Real?

    Here's the update:

    I went to Tourneau in Manhattan; the service representative opened it and said that it is not a PP. The band, though, is gold.
    Deflated, I entered one of those "antique/used" watch dealers, who claimed it to be authentic.
    As they say, when in doubt, go for another opinion, so i went to a reputable watch dealer, who told me the only way to truly know is to go to PP itself, in Rockefeller Center. So I hope to clarify this further in the coming weeks.

    Will update -

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