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    MY OLDEST WATCH????

    50 years of accumulating all kinds of watches without regard to a specific model except lately Gruens. My first oldest was 1872 German Grossmann bought from father, who inherited from original Uncle owner, at junk gold price. It sold before I started accumulating mainly gold watches for investment reasons and before developing a technical and historical proper collector interest, for ten times its cost that was a jeweler appraisal not watchmaker's. Like many I tended toward acquiring the finer late 19th century American. Generally ignored the real antiques as too expensive. However, have a few back to early 1700 English and Swiss p.w. and to me interesting w.w. from near 1900. Am starting this thread to hopefully see some real antiques from anywhere that do not often appear as well as anyones' they choose to show. Looking for oldest, not necessarily a best oldest. My oldest is 1723 George Grahm ruby cylinder recased with fresh dial about 1812 so a relatively affordable one from a fine English maker.
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    Hi Art,

    the watch below is neither the oldest I've ever touched nor one with exciting features for its time, but with over 240 years it is the oldest n.o.s. watch I've ever had on my table. This watch got a service before auctioning it, just to make sure that decomposed lubricants didn't harm the bearings within such a long time. And for me as engineer the most exciting about the watch was, that such primitive verge movement could have maximum deviations between any two positions reasonably lower than one minute daily. Moreover isochronism errors between fully wound and after 24 hours could not be noticed without second hand (well lower than 10s/d though) - so the fusee actually did what it was made for. Finally it was the first verge movement my timing machine regarded as ticking object - it could even identify the strange beat rate of 17280 bph.

    Never used (or at least scarcely) was on first glance of course only a suspicion, caused by missing signs of use on the rather soft 22K case. But later the watchmaker confirmed that also signs are missing which are visible in a verge movement already after short use, e.g. marks on the polished verge pallets, and prints the chain leaves on the barrel or the blued trigger of the stopwork.

    Here further informations about the movement:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements : Meyer Paris 15'''

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    Re: MY OLDEST WATCH????

    Well, this one is not mine. It is in the Tompion Exhibit at the NAWCC... but it is an alarm watch circa 1681



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    1923 Hebdomas "wedding watch." Used to be a pocket watch but now was cased into a wristwatch.

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    Re: MY OLDEST WATCH????

    Quote Originally Posted by artb View Post
    . My oldest is 1823 George Grahm ruby cylinder recased with fresh dial about 1812 so a relatively affordable one from a fine English maker.
    hello
    1812? I feel much older
    regards enrico

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    Re: MY OLDEST WATCH????

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    Well, this one is not mine. It is in the Tompion Exhibit at the NAWCC... but it is an alarm watch circa 1681



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    That watch 1681 uses one of the first spring balance wheels developed by Robert Hooke and Tompion.
    Robert Hooke patented the balance spring in 1660, but it is generally accepted that Hook and Huegenes invented it in 1675.
    It is a FANTASTIC piece

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    I bow to anyone that ownes a George Graham timepiece - that IS fantastic!
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    All very interesting and informative. And all not known to me. Roland is doing very well to help us better appreciate the old verge movements. But old recased 1812 Grahm movement is from 1723 not 1823. art b.
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    A problem for me is accurately identifying age of the really old ones. This amazingly small old 25mm verge movement may be my oldest. ?? but not if after 1723? George Grahm.
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    Re: MY OLDEST WATCH????

    My oldest is this orphaned V&C movement rescued from fleabay, dates to 1831, likely from a lady's pendant watch. Note the lovely chased cock that spells out "VACHERON&C".
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    FANTASTIC
    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL. THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.

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