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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

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    Thanks. I won't ask for pricing but does the American Eagle theme make it any more desirable or rare or like any other patek (with some issues )

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    In general, the outer case of a pocket watch has little to do with value and I think that is the situation here. These watches were often re-cased and I don't think there is any way to show that there is a connection between the outer case and Patek.
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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    Quote Originally Posted by badbackdan View Post
    In general, the outer case of a pocket watch has little to do with value and I think that is the situation here. These watches were often re-cased and I don't think there is any way to show that there is a connection between the outer case and Patek.
    Thanks. That answers a lot as I am used to collecting vintage watches (60's-70's) and as you likely know, case plays major part. I appreciate the help. I think I'm going to call Heritage auctions around corner from me and take it to one of their watch curators to see what they say.

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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    Quote Originally Posted by badbackdan View Post
    In general, the outer case of a pocket watch has little to do with value and I think that is the situation here. These watches were often re-cased and I don't think there is any way to show that there is a connection between the outer case and Patek.
    Aside from the fact that there's probably ~25-30dwt of 18K in it.

    This doesn't strike me as a recase. The movement fit looks excellent, and the case appears era-appropriate for the watch.
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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_hutcherson View Post
    Aside from the fact that there's probably ~25-30dwt of 18K in it.
    When I first typed my response, I mentioned the value of the gold, but then I decided I didn't want to go there.
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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    Quote Originally Posted by badbackdan View Post
    When I first typed my response, I mentioned the value of the gold, but then I decided I didn't want to go there.

    Don't worry, that was my first thought

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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    I see a button on the side of the watch, which is presumably to stop and start the stopwatch feature, but I agree - I don't think there's a repeater-mechanism on this watch.
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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    Quote Originally Posted by Shangas View Post
    I see a button on the side of the watch, which is presumably to stop and start the stopwatch feature
    It's a chronograph. Stop watches stop completely when the timer is not active. By all appearances, the sweep hand on this watch has a start/stop/reset independent of the timekeeping.

    In any case, I don't think there's any question as to whether or not it's a repeater. There are no gongs, hammers, or any of the other parts one would see in a repeater. Also, repeaters of this age almost universally had a slide to activate them, not a button.
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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_hutcherson View Post
    It's a chronograph. Stop watches stop completely when the timer is not active. By all appearances, the sweep hand on this watch has a start/stop/reset independent of the timekeeping.

    In any case, I don't think there's any question as to whether or not it's a repeater. There are no gongs, hammers, or any of the other parts one would see in a repeater. Also, repeaters of this age almost universally had a slide to activate them, not a button.
    Ben,. Now that you mention that, there is a slider right below the button.

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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    I can see that too but it's not really of the sort of shape and (more importantly) size that is usually associated with a repeater slider. The problem is that you need to slide back a repeater slider for quite a distance before the mechanism activates and this means that there must be a fair sized groove. In order to cover that up, you need a fair sized slider.

    Personally, I think that your slider is more likely associated with something like a case opening lock or similar contraption. If there really is a repeating mechanism, it would be located 100% dial side and usually they were not. If there is one, it would mean a modular contraption, not an integrated one.

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    Re: Mystery Patek Phillipe Pocket Watch question

    I'll agree with Hartmut-that doesn't look like a repeater slide.

    These aren't the best, but here are two videos of me operating a repeater. One is a Waltham 5 minute and the other a Dent minute repeater. I wish these were mine-they belong to friends and I had the chance to look at/play with them.

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