I was checking my uncataloged mostly valueless lady watches recently.
Noticed these 2 with identical cute probably common movements. Maybe 1940+ for solid gold Lucien ; 1950+ Gruen? Guessing Schild made movements? The Gruen indicates how the old important Precision designation was degraded after Fred Gruen away. The L.P. was saved by me in 1980 from scrap. It is heavy handmade 14K with couple little bright white diamonds. Quite a nice quality item compared to later cheap stuff with the name. I do not understand why I get no enthusiasm from the ladies for this. Not even my wife. I am mainly interested if the Gruen being made before 1958 end of Gruen.