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    hey all the watch on the left is a cornell 17 jewel looks to be a old dive watch ? the one on right i have posted before without pics of movement and was told it was a sears brand i found this watch on a site watchestobuy.com and the price is over $1000 saying its rare and hard to find??? any help on these watches would be great
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    Solar was a brand of watch sold by Eaton's in Canada. A small percentage of those were made by Rolex.
    I don't know much about Cornell. Maybe some other member can help you.
    Both of these look to be from the 1950s.

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    The Cornell appears to have some type of spring contact around the movement, operated by the pusher. I thought it may be a primitive type of light, operated by the pusher.
    But there doesn't seem to be any power source?
    Regardless, the movement is an ordinary grade FHF, possibly FHF 70.
    I think the price mentioned is a little too highby a factor of 10 or so.
    The other one looks like an AS 1687, again a very average movement from the 60's.

    I do all my reading and posting from home, and have all my reference stuff at work, so I am only working from memory here.

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    Hi -

    First of all, we don't do valuations or even try to guess what a watch might be worth: that watch on watchestobuy might be in a gold case, may have been owned by someone notable/famous, or may have any number of reasons for the price mentioned. It may also be the case that they're just hoping to find someone who knows nothing and has money to waste!

    The Cornell isn't a divers' watch: it lacks even rudimentary water resistance and would be very, very hard to read in murky water.

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    Not really sure about the movement ID in both cases. The Ranfft links to the two movements are:

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...&2uswk&AS_1687

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    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...0&2uswk&FHF_70

    ...and neither seems to fit really. However, I must admit that I can't place them off the top of my head either.


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    hey guys sorry about that the pics they are out of order the first watch is the solar the movement is at the end and the cornell is the middle pics also i looked up solar made by rolex and found a tudor solar and it has the exact same logo on face sun design there were no pics of movement though thanks for the info i love the dial on the cornell it looks hand engraved spider web needs a cleaning though thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald View Post
    Solar was a brand of watch sold by Eaton's in Canada. A small percentage of those were made by Rolex.
    I don't know much about Cornell. Maybe some other member can help you.
    Both of these look to be from the 1950s.
    I'd guess early 1950s for the Cornell. The movement looks very much like one for which the tooling was sold to China by A. Schild around 1955/56, presumably to finance an upgrade to a flatter movement (notice the high bridge to clear the indirect seconds). So I wouldn't expect to see a Western watch with such a movement assembled later than 1958 (allowing for clearance of old stock).

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    I think the Cornell is an AS 1287 http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...&2uswk&AS_1287

    Some Solar do have Rolex movements in them, but usually they are something pretty good but not nowehere near as expensive (ie Eterna, CYMA, etc)

    The Solar Tourist is advertised as having some sort of early lighting system

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    Hi osiris,

    the left watch with illumination operated by the pusher is a type which was
    made with many different movements - manual or automatic. The battary
    was usually in a plastic cabinet over the movement. Most had a micro lamp
    at 12h, some at 12h and 6h.

    Here is an example with automatic movement:
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...sau&1045065602
    It was sold in 2003, but may still help for evaluation.

    Yours has certainly an FHF 72 or a derivative. These movements were
    available with several bridge layouts, as demonstrated here:
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&FHF_72

    No idea about the other watch, but I suspect it has a movement of far east origin.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    hey guys it is solid gold case 14k there was no battery or plastic caseing missing maybe? here is a pic of back of case
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