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    Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    Another WUS member (John MS) suggested I put this post here. Don't know why I did not see this area before I posted earlier.

    The watch below was given to me by my great grandfather via my grandfather. I have yet to find the model on the web and was wondering if any of you vets could get close to identifying it. It is a very heavy piece and I don't know if it is because of the internals, the gold content (if any), or both. I have found a few sites that mention Elgin but nothing shows anything close. The numbers on the dial appear to be unique compared to what has came up with a google search.

    I have not opened it because 1). I don't have the knowledge yet and 2). Can't find anyone to work on it for a reasonable price. FYI 300 just to open it up, to me, is NOT reasonable. Add to that 150 to diagnose the problem. And of course the price goes up from there for whatever is needed for the actual repair. This leads me to my last inquiry...
    Anyone near the Phoenix area that knows of a experienced, reputable person that would be willing to look at this? I would love to get it working as it has sentimental value. I just don't feel I should spend the same amount as some new watches just for opening it up.


    Any help would be great.

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    Sorry about the quality. I just don't have the knowledge or perhaps the equipment to take better pics.

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    There is engraving on the back although it is worn. There seems to be a chevron between the 1 and 2 o'clock position if that means anything. The rest appears to be foliage of some type.

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    Thanks,

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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    It looks to be a 12 or 16 size watch, and that sort of metal dial will date it to the 1920s. The case is more than likely gold filled.

    It appears to be a screw-back case. To remove the back, hold the watch in your left hand with the pendant resting against the web of your thumb-the back should easily unscrew by gripping and turning counter-clockwise with your right hand. No special tools are required.
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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    I will go get it...thanks Hopefully pics of the movement coming up.
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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_hutcherson View Post
    It looks to be a 12 or 16 size watch, and that sort of metal dial will date it to the 1920s. The case is more than likely gold filled.

    It appears to be a screw-back case. To remove the back, hold the watch in your left hand with the pendant resting against the web of your thumb-the back should easily unscrew by gripping and turning counter-clockwise with your right hand. No special tools are required.
    Ben you appear to be correct as there is no hallmark anywhere on the piece regarding gold content. You were also correct regarding the caseback...Behold....

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    Could you tell me what the gauge is in the upper left (S ...... F) ?

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    A closer pic makes the stamping legible:

    "Keystone"
    "Watchcase"
    Insignia with Scale
    "JBOSS"
    20 YEARS
    EX(C/O)?
    6632440

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    Any place that you would recommend looking up the movement?

    Also, if I jiggle the watch wheels will turn back and forth...winding will turn the gears...but it will not run. Anything I could try?

    Thanks much,

    Wes
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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    The movement is a 16 size, 7 jewel movement and dates to about 1926. Not a huge amount to say about it. The S-F marking is for slow and fast-the timing of the watch is adjusted by moving the pointer toward the respective letter.

    Keystone J.Boss cases are always gold filled(The J.Boss company was one of the originators of the gold filled process). The "20 year" marking refers to the fact that the case was guaranteed to not wear through to base metal for 20 years(cases were available in different guarantee ratings, ranging from about 5 years to "permanent").

    The EXC marking is interesting...I need to do some reading on it, which I'll follow up on shortly. I seem to recall from somewhere, however, that this was used to indicate a case which was supplied as a replacement for one which wore-through before its guarantee period.
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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    Thanks so much
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    A couple of thoughts. The Elgin is a nice momento of more than one generation in your family. Take the time to write down everything you know about who wore the watch, when it was worn, etc., and keep them together for the next generation. The adjusting lever is pushed to the slow side which indicates it is overdue for servicing. If you plan on using the watch then it should be serviced. If it will serve as a remembrance on display or stored safely away then such an expenditure is really not needed.

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    Any idea what a service cost should be?

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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    I'll say this much, I've never had to pay anything for someone to just LOOK at the watch. So if someone's saying that you have to pay him for that, I'd be searching for another watchmaker...
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    Re: Need Help With Elgin Pocket

    Quote Originally Posted by John MS View Post
    A couple of thoughts. The Elgin is a nice momento of more than one generation in your family. Take the time to write down everything you know about who wore the watch, when it was worn, etc., and keep them together for the next generation.
    Let me second and amplify this - among my Grandfather's possessions were a number of watches, including 2 pair-cased verge fusee type watches from the late 18th/early 19th century. One of them contained a series of watch papers from watchmakers in Ireland, followed by several from Pittsburgh, where my family is from. Likely this watch came over with one of my ancestors, but because Pap never made any notes about the owner of the watch, we'll never know.

    The adjusting lever is pushed to the slow side which indicates it is overdue for servicing.
    Well, that and the visible dirt in the bushings!

    If you plan on using the watch then it should be serviced. If it will serve as a remembrance on display or stored safely away then such an expenditure is really not needed.
    I'd advise having it serviced even if you're going to put it away. Some day, you might get an urge to wear it, and it would be especially cool if it were running. But that's me. I'm a big fan of 'ancestor watches'. They're something our grandfathers or great-grandfathers wore everyday, that they kept with them always. It's a nice connection.
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