Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather
Like Tree8Likes

Thread: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20
  1. #1
    Member TeePro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    43

    Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    My Grandfather gave this to me with great Pride last week. Hope to pass it down for generations to come. Problem is, I cannot find any information on it. Appears it is a Waltham movement cased by A Canadian Company from Toronto called "American Watch Case" company and it is the "Cashier" model. I believe W.W. Wellner is just the jewellers name from P.E.I. stamped on the dial. But I cannot date it, and I would like more info on the movement, the W.W. Wellner name etc. and I just can't find. Please help.

    Case info:
    Cashier A.W.C. co gold filled
    784040

    Dial:
    W.W. Wellner
    Charlottetown, P.E.I.

    Movement:
    The Wellner Watch
    2663556
    17 Jewels
    19.71
    CB(What does this mean?)
    Fast(What does this mean?)
    Name:  20170603_184404_HDR[2716].jpg
Views: 242
Size:  2.65 MB
    Name:  20170603_184513[2717].jpg
Views: 260
Size:  1.75 MB
    Name:  20170603_184522[2718].jpg
Views: 236
Size:  2.13 MB
    Name:  20170603_184547[2719].jpg
Views: 219
Size:  1.72 MB
    Name:  20170605_210626[2724].jpg
Views: 211
Size:  1.78 MB
    Name:  20170605_212725[2729].jpg
Views: 213
Size:  1.75 MB
    Last edited by TeePro; June 10th, 2017 at 22:47.
    Junjun likes this.
    Tag Heuer Aquaracer WAB1110, Victorinox Dive Master 500 241425, Tissot Couturier Day/Date T035.407, Steinhart Ocean One Black 103-047, Citizen Eco-drive Perpetual Chrono A-T Limited Edition AT4027 06E, Citizen Eco-drive Promaster Blue Angels Skyhawk world time JR3080-51L, Citizen Eco-drive TI+IP B620-S098131 , Citizen Eco-drive Dress E11, Seiko 5 SNKA23, Seiko Recraft SKA-705 Kinetic, Seiko Sports 150 7T42-6A00, Casio G-Shock GA201, Bulova Adventurer 96B135, Marathon Navigator WW194001, Armani Exchange AX 1057, 2x Timex Expedition

  2. #2
    Member Junjun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    20

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePro View Post
    My Grandfather gave this to me with great Pride last week. Hope to pass it down for generations to come. Problem is, I cannot find any information on it. Appears it is a Waltham movement cased by A Canadian Company from Toronto called "American Watch Case" company and it is the "Cashier" model. I believe W.W. Wellner is just the jewellers name from P.E.I. stamped on the dial. But I cannot date it, and I would like more info on the movement, the W.W. Wellner name etc. and I just can't find. Please help.

    Case info:
    Cashier A.W.C. co gold filled
    784040

    Dial:
    W.W. Wellner
    Charlottetown, P.E.I.

    Movement:
    The Wellner Watch
    2663556
    17 Jewels
    CB(What does this mean?)
    Fast(What does this mean?)
    Name:  20170603_184404_HDR[2716].jpg
Views: 242
Size:  2.65 MB
    Name:  20170603_184513[2717].jpg
Views: 260
Size:  1.75 MB
    Name:  20170603_184522[2718].jpg
Views: 236
Size:  2.13 MB
    Name:  20170603_184547[2719].jpg
Views: 219
Size:  1.72 MB
    Name:  20170605_210626[2724].jpg
Views: 211
Size:  1.78 MB
    Name:  20170605_212725[2729].jpg
Views: 213
Size:  1.75 MB
    That is a really fine watch!:) take really good care of it and pass it to your son!:)

    Sent from my F3216 using Tapatalk
    TeePro likes this.

  3. #3
    Member Border-Reiver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    3,064

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    One answer to start with: Fast means fast (or faster). If you move the regulator to this side, you are shortening the active part of the hairspring and the watch runs faster. Slow on the other side means slower. You can only see the last letter 'W', the rest is under the goose neck (goose neck type regulator).

    I don't think it is a Waltham movement, at least not with that serial number.

    Origin = Canadian. P.E.I. = Price Edward Island, Charlottetown is the capital of that province (unless you are a Cannuck yourself and know that anyway).
    Last edited by Border-Reiver; June 10th, 2017 at 21:41.
    TeePro likes this.

  4. Remove Advertisements
    WatchUSeek.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    902

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    It's not a Waltham movement design I recognise. It may be a Swiss movement. There's a marking under the balance wheel that may be a caliber/reference number.

  6. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    10

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    It looks Swiss to me. I've noticed that American movements have the click near the smaller winding wheel (I forget the name) and Swiss movements have it mounted opposite that wheel.
    It's also a brand I've never heard of.

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Posts
    188

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    It looks like it might be a Longines movement. I can see a caliber number by the balance wheel but can't make it out. http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...ines_18_90ZABC ranfft list one very similar.

    Sent from my T03 using Tapatalk

  8. #7
    Member TeePro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    43

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    Thank you for the info. I can dig deeper now.
    Tag Heuer Aquaracer WAB1110, Victorinox Dive Master 500 241425, Tissot Couturier Day/Date T035.407, Steinhart Ocean One Black 103-047, Citizen Eco-drive Perpetual Chrono A-T Limited Edition AT4027 06E, Citizen Eco-drive Promaster Blue Angels Skyhawk world time JR3080-51L, Citizen Eco-drive TI+IP B620-S098131 , Citizen Eco-drive Dress E11, Seiko 5 SNKA23, Seiko Recraft SKA-705 Kinetic, Seiko Sports 150 7T42-6A00, Casio G-Shock GA201, Bulova Adventurer 96B135, Marathon Navigator WW194001, Armani Exchange AX 1057, 2x Timex Expedition

  9. #8
    Member TeePro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    43

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    I am. That is where my Great Grandfather originated from.
    Tag Heuer Aquaracer WAB1110, Victorinox Dive Master 500 241425, Tissot Couturier Day/Date T035.407, Steinhart Ocean One Black 103-047, Citizen Eco-drive Perpetual Chrono A-T Limited Edition AT4027 06E, Citizen Eco-drive Promaster Blue Angels Skyhawk world time JR3080-51L, Citizen Eco-drive TI+IP B620-S098131 , Citizen Eco-drive Dress E11, Seiko 5 SNKA23, Seiko Recraft SKA-705 Kinetic, Seiko Sports 150 7T42-6A00, Casio G-Shock GA201, Bulova Adventurer 96B135, Marathon Navigator WW194001, Armani Exchange AX 1057, 2x Timex Expedition

  10. #9
    Member TeePro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Posts
    43

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    The number under the balance wheel is 19.71. Looks to be a Longines movement. Unclear on the date as research doesn't show the exact movement. Anywhere from 1900-1942. I have emailed Longines for more info. It appears the 17 Jewels is the top of the line version. I will post when I hear back from Longines.
    Last edited by TeePro; June 10th, 2017 at 22:59.
    Tag Heuer Aquaracer WAB1110, Victorinox Dive Master 500 241425, Tissot Couturier Day/Date T035.407, Steinhart Ocean One Black 103-047, Citizen Eco-drive Perpetual Chrono A-T Limited Edition AT4027 06E, Citizen Eco-drive Promaster Blue Angels Skyhawk world time JR3080-51L, Citizen Eco-drive TI+IP B620-S098131 , Citizen Eco-drive Dress E11, Seiko 5 SNKA23, Seiko Recraft SKA-705 Kinetic, Seiko Sports 150 7T42-6A00, Casio G-Shock GA201, Bulova Adventurer 96B135, Marathon Navigator WW194001, Armani Exchange AX 1057, 2x Timex Expedition

  11. #10
    Member mkws's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    7,687

    Re: Need help identifying 4th generation pocket watch gifted from Grandfather

    Here's the only site, where the 19.71 is listed:
    PocketWatch - Technik Taschenuhren-Kaliber Longines

    There appears to be little info about it anywhere.

    The serial (should be a Longines one, since the Longines movements sold to other manufacturers still had a Longines serial on them) dates it to 1911.

    Since the movement isn't in a Longines watch as such, they will likely only have the date of manufacture of the movement, and the information about the company/retailer/jeweller it was invoiced at. Nevertheless, contacting Longines is indeed the way to go.
    TeePro, eri231 and SilkeN like this.
    I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it.
    Edgar Allan Poe

    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    George Orwell

    Villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged.
    Capt. Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

    For any inquiries regarding vintage Doxa watches, please read the highlighted text in my vintage Doxa thread. Sorry, but I will not respond to PMs on the matter.

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

    Similar Threads

    1. Replies: 9
      Last Post: January 14th, 2017, 03:47
    2. Replies: 1
      Last Post: October 16th, 2014, 07:02
    3. Replies: 0
      Last Post: October 13th, 2014, 18:39
    4. Grandfather gifted me his father's watch. (1800's Elgin Pocket Watch)
      By flugufrelsarinn in forum Vintage & Pocket watches
      Replies: 2
      Last Post: January 27th, 2013, 18:28
    5. Help in identifying an old pocket watch (great grandfather)
      By Dellie in forum Vintage & Pocket watches
      Replies: 3
      Last Post: December 30th, 2012, 20:42

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •