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    Need help identifying early wrist watch

    I have an early wristwatch probably from the 1st world war.
    Can anyone help me identifying the movement and possibly help with the date.
    The case has a screw in movement. You have to take the bezel off and then pull out the crown. Once you have done that the movement can be screwed out.
    The dial is damaged and the glass has yellowed and has a crackled appearance.
    Otherwise the watch is in quite good nick and running.
    Any help is appreciated.

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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    The sterling silver case seems to have an inner movement ring which is threaded, interesting. You need to change the yellowed crystal ASAP, it has already started to corrode the hands.
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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik_H View Post
    The sterling silver case seems to have an inner movement ring which is threaded, interesting.
    That's a Borgel case. A bit here:

    http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...Msr__Abz25z8CA

    There's a fuller article here:

    http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...Msr__Abz25z8CA

    As the same site says, the AGR initials, with dots in between as this "A·G·R", are for Arthur George Rendell of 40/42 Clerkenwell Road, London who are recorded as importers of Swiss watches from 1907.

    The hallmark is the London import mark. I think its 1918 - see:

    http://www.925-1000.com/dlLondon.html#M (click date table to enlarge).
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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Daer,
    What a WONDERFULL watch!
    congratulations on this one!

    about the movement I am not sure,
    I think AMIDA or ENICAR, AMIDA is my thirst choise here.
    maybe somenelse sees something I don't

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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Looks like FHF movemet kal. 107.
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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Hi all
    Thank you very much for your information.
    Does anybody now who would have supplied the watch?
    It does look like it has a FHF caliber movement.

    Cheers

    Kurt

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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Quote Originally Posted by kurtnz View Post
    Hi all
    Thank you very much for your information.
    Does anybody now who would have supplied the watch?
    It does look like it has a FHF caliber movement.

    Cheers

    Kurt
    I think we have had arguments about this one in the past. bjohnson reckons that such a movement couldn't be an FHF movement since the screw to release the winding stem is on the wrong side. Compare:

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...0&2uswk&FHF_30

    His calibres of that sort often turn out to be Adolf Schild calibres, something like the AS 340 (which can look quite different to the version seen on Ranfft's pink pages):

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...0&2uswk&AS_340

    There are some other movements that are similar, e.g. by Durowe:

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...swk&Durowe_410

    ...although that one also has the screw on the wrong side. Still, there may be even others out there with that bridge arrangement.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Indeed Hartmut,
    DUROWE!!! all forgot about that one.
    one pity here in teh shop: not in my books any info on old Durowe calibers
    What I once saw before was the tipical bridge over the setting lever and intermadiate wheel, and that one WAS a Durowe. But it was a long time ago...

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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    Durowe was founded 1933. This watch seems to be earlier.

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    Re: Need help identifying early wrist watch

    I agree that it probably isn't a Durowe calibre - a) because of the age issue and b) because the stem release screw is on the wrong side. My bet at this stage would be on an Adolf Schild movement.

    Hartmut Richter

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