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    Hello Everyone,

    Could you please give me any information regarding this one:
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    Welcome to the Vintage/PW forum. That is a decent although not overly special pocket watch from the early 20th century. The brand "Confucius" was registered by M.L. Rosenblatt & Fils in La Chaux de Fonds on 14th of February 1902. The movement is a 15 jewel lever movement probably based on a common generic ebauche (raw movement). My hunch is a Fontainemelon (FHF) calibre but I can't be sure of that. The case is probably silver and of higher than average content for a Swiss watch (most were 0.800 or 80% silver, this one is 0.875 - but English sterling ones were 0.935!).

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    O,875 (or 84 zolotniki) is typical for a swiss production which should get sold in russia. This is a typical silver content within this region. I would date this watch close to 1902.

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    Re: Need help identifying Granpas Watch

    Thank you very much! I have more questions regarding!

    1. Is it worth trying to bring it to the watchmaker for cleaning, etc.? If it worth, should I look for someone who specialises in the vintage watches or any watchmaker can do it?
    2. That dial on the movement which probably shows power reserve is not working. Is it possible to fix it?
    3. After taking a photo of this watch I broke that glass which sits over the movement. It broke in my hands :( Is it possible to have someone make a cover glass giving him outer ring without it? Is it going to cost a fortune?

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    It is worth having the watch serviced if you are going to wear and use it. If not, you are only wasting money. If the watch is not wound, it will not deteriorate if kept in a safe and dry place.

    The "dial" on the movement is no power rerserve and it isn't broken. It is the fine adjustment to make the watch gain or lose time (i.e. to get it close to zero gain/loss). Most other watches have the lever or indicator restricted to the balance cock, here it extends to point to a scale on the main geartrain bridge.

    The glass over the movement may be replaceable by a watchmaker but it is possible that he won't find a suitable glass replacement. Nowadays, they often use plexiglass, even for vintage pocket watches (over the dial, that is). Most pocket watches actually don't have a glass there - they rely only on the inner dust cover.

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    I am not going to wear and use it, it will sit somewhere nice. The only thing is maybe to get it cleaned, not sure if polishing is a good idea.

    I also have this one. Guessing from the back, it is from the same maker just have a fancy dials. This one is not working. Could you tell whether it is the same year, older or newer?

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    This one is from around the same period. The first one is lever set, this one is pin set. Both features point to around the turn of the 19th to 20th century. It would be interesting to see the insides of this one too.

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    Here is the inside for you. If someone have some additional information, please do not hesitate! Got really interested!

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    Re: Need help identifying Granpas Watch

    Here you might get a glas for the movement. I've sold serveral glases here and until now all top. These are extra flat ones you can't use for the face with hands. Unfortunately not all sizes are available anymore:

    FLACH Savonette GLAS für Taschenuhren 20- 53mm AUSWAHL | eBay


    The second watch looks to me about 20 years younger but as Hartmut says a picture of the movement would help. From outside I wouldn't expect a outstanding movement. The case looks like argentan and the dial quite simple but it might be a effect of the foto.

    Regards Silke

    Addition: Movement pictures are there...6 rubies cylinder swiss movement. Little bid simpler and younger than the other one but it might be also a FHF raw movement
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    Re: Need help identifying Granpas Watch

    The second one has a relatively low grade cylindre escapement movement of a relatively generic type. The best known maker of that style was, once again, Fontainemelon (FHF), e.g.:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FHF 18'''

    ...but other makers also produced very similar movements, e.g.:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Frenca 8 (Buser)

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Phenix Croissant 18'''

    In the end, it may be down to looking at the keyless works under the dial. Age? Possibly a little younger than #1 but I doubt it will be 20 years.

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