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    Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    Hello! I'm new here and I need some help with 2 pocket watches that my dad had just given.

    The first watch is this gold colored watch with blueish hands and this design on it's back.
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    In the inside there is a mark with 56 and 14K with what looks like a squirrel. And the words "Ancre Spiral Breguet Balancier Compensateur 16 Rubis".
    It is also marked with the word "CUIVRE".
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    The second watch is marked as Swiss made with the initials of D.W.C. and Meltis. It comes with a key winder with the initials WM and an elephant on the other side.
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    I would really appreciate it if there is anyone who could identify it as I was not able to find out much online about them. Thank you.

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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    Welcome.

    I'm not a pocket watch guy - but I did find Meltis:

    Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index

    a brand of "Fabrique d'Horlogerie Delémont / Ruedin & Cie" according to Mikrolisk. Others will know more.

    Actually, found a bit about Ruedin. From http://www.diju.ch/f/notices/detail/7019 and translated automatically by Google:

    Ruedin (family)

    Family entrepreneurs originally from Landeron.
    Jämes (1833-1922) directs the process of draft Corgémont, branch factory of draft Fontainemelon.
    Two of his son, Jämes (1869-1936) and Henri (1870-1956) was the head of the watchmaking factory Delemont. In 1896, the brothers are taking shares in the company becomes "Weber Ruedin et Cie, Fabrique d'Horlogerie Delémont". In 1900, became "Ruedin and Co.," the factory is run by Jämes alone. It became a limited company in 1919 with a board of directors composed of the two brothers and two Ruedin industrial Delémont, Adolphe and Oskar Fasnacht. In 1921, the two brothers Ruedin no longer part of the company. In 1926 the factory joined "Blanks SA" and closed its doors two years later.

    A third son, the twin brother of Henry George (1870-1935) founded the Noirmont in 1897 with Leon Master, the partnership "Masters Brothers and Ruedin" active in the manufacture of watches. In 1900 he separates from his associates and creates always Noirmont, the company "Georges Ruedin". In 1902 he was appointed director of the Company becomes Reconvilier Watch in 1908, "the Company Horlogère Reconvilier (Reconvilier Watch Co)". Georges Ruedin is the director until his death in 1935 and the sole director since 1928. Two of his son, André (1902-1947) and Jean-Robert (1905-1997) will take over the company's head .
    His third son, George (1895-1953) founded in 1926, with Albert Jaquat the watch factory boxes "Jaquat Ruedin and Co." which becomes "George Ruedin" in 1933 and "George Ruedin SA" in 1951. In the beginning
    The company benefits from the company's order led by the father of George Ruedin the Reconvilier Watch C °.

    There is still a factory - now part of Swatch: http://www.swatchgroup.com/fr/marque...facture_ruedin
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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    The second movement is reminescent of the MST (Meyer & Stüdeli) Cal. 12 - although that is not key wound. Maybe yours is an earlier version?!

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: MST 12

    The first is a higher grade movement but probably also generic. Both the movement makers Adolf Schild and Fontainemelon (FHF) had similar movements in their collection, e.g.

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FHF 19'''H6.5

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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    Thanks Marrick and Hartmut. I'm fairly new to this and have zero knowledge about watches. Everything seems so confusing to me haha.

    Is is possible to find out whom the maker was and the year it was made by the design?
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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    Not exactly. The Meltis trademark was registered 1912. The factory closed in 1928. So the watch would probably have been made between those 2 dates. If the the link Hartmut gave is correct the movement would be by MST (Roamer). Vintage Roamer Watch Site

    The other one is probably of a similar age. Hartmut has given one possibility for the movement - but its not always possible to definitively ID these movements unless marked by the maker.

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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    ...and in those days, makers' marks (if present at all) were frequently on the side of the movement under the dial.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    The movement of the first one seems more like an FHF 18"', given that jewel above the gear in the centre of the movement...
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: FHF 18'''
    And the watch itself appears to have a solid 14k gold case.
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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    The second movement is reminescent of the MST (Meyer & Stüdeli) Cal. 12 - although that is not key wound. Maybe yours is an earlier version?!

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: MST 12

    Hartmut Richter
    The balance cock would be right. It would however be L. Tieche Gammeter not MST. I've never seen a key wind or set movement from them but their early history is very obscure. If it was then it would pretty much have to be close to 1912 as in 1913 LTG patented a stem setting device. I've not seen a pin set from them so I don't know what they used before the stem setting.


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    Re: Need Help Identifying Pocket Watches

    No, it's definitely not that one - the 18''' is a cylindre escapement movement and yours has a Swiss lever.....

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