Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???
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    Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    Hello to all,

    I am a Gruen Curvex collector. This was was in a group of early Gruens I bought. It is a stainless case with wire lugs. No English, only German on the case. The movement has no markings but is a decent grade movement. Thinking it is just before WWII (pre 1939) ??? Maybe mid 30s. There was a site that used to list the Alpina dial marks.... but I guess it shut down. Would appreciate any help with this.

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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    Looks a bit like this one, but not exactly:

    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Alpina 843 (Venus 130)
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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    Think you are correct.... with the PUW 500 reference, I found a listing on eBay that links this movement to an Alpina Dugena - same style dial. Does that seem correct?

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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    Dugena renamed it to Dugena 850 but it's still a PUW 500
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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    The mark on the dial doesn't have to be that of Alpina. A mark identical to that was registered to Grana (Kurth Freres, later Certina).
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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    The mark on the dial doesn't have to be that of Alpina. A mark identical to that was registered to Grana (Kurth Freres, later Certina).
    This mark was registered by Grana but also by Alpina and mainly used for the German market and production (Dugena, Siegerin, etc.)
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    Re: Need help.... think this is pre WWII Alpina???

    The Siegerin brand from Alpina (as a name) was also a causality of the war. I'm fairly confident that Siegerin 'died' in 1944 at the latest, when Switzerland finally embargoed Germany under Allied pressures. Dugena essentially replaced it (the old name no longer being PC) and some of the pre-war and en-war Alpina/Seigerin models do look like the post war ones. This is a narrow time frame that I think is really little more than a year (maybe 18 months) before Alpina seems to have dropped the 'dressy' rectangular watches and went in for the 'sport' look ca 1948.

    So I think the OPs watch is post war and certainly for the German market based on language used on the back. Pre-1944 Alpina was using more on their own movements or others from what was left of the Gilde era during the 1930s; Favre provided the cal 157 for example. After the war, it seem that Alpina started using more widely available ebouche makers.

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    I'd request of the OP to start a new thread with his Gruen acquisitions....
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