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    New arrival vintage Novice

    This came in today and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Its just over 28mm wide not counting the crown. It reminds me of my Wittnauer all proof type watch. Its got "Rensie Watch co" or something engraved i the case back and on the movement but looks way higher quality than any Rensie ive seen.










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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    The only Novice trademark in Mikrolisk was registered to Alpina.

    The movement appears to be a Peseux, most likely cal. 190:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Peseux 190

    Judging by the looks of it, it's from early to mid 1940s.
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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    Hi Freddy,

    @mkws and Mikrolisk have given you a great start.

    "Novice" was a brand of German maker Dugena who started life as Alpina Berlin before the name change to Dugena in 1942 - see here:

    https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...NA&prev=search

    See also this fourth entry for Alpina in Mikrolisk:
    Alpina Dugena / Alpina-Deutsche Uhrmacher Genossenschaft Markenname des deutschen Zweiges der Alpina (Schweiz), spätere Dugena; Wallstr. 23/24, Berlin, Deutschland; registriert am 29.11.1924, 9.12.1930 und am 13.4.1939
    Hope this helps.

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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    Hahahaha, I can't believe. I'm waiting for a Novice watch myself in a Borgel case. :)

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    I planned to open a thread myself. :) Looks like they are fine watches. Mine is 31mm without the crown and I got it quite cheaply. I guess pre 50s-40s less known brands are not so popular locally. ;)

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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    Quote Originally Posted by esdy_11192 View Post
    Hahahaha, I can't believe. I'm waiting for a Novice watch myself in a Borgel case. :)

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    I planned to open a thread myself. :) Looks like they are fine watches. Mine is 31mm without the crown and I got it quite cheaply. I guess pre 50s-40s less known brands are not so popular locally. ;)
    Looks great. BTW- Taubert, not Borgel.
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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    @MKWS: Thanks for the clarification. I was certain Taubert was manufacturing the Borgel cases. I guess Taubert continued to use the trademark after Borgel. The same logo confused me. When did the transition happened?

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    @MKWS: Thanks for the clarification. I was certain Taubert was manufacturing the Borgel cases. I guess Taubert continued to use the trademark after Borgel. The same logo confused me. When did the transition happened?
    Taubert & Fils. kept the Borgel logo (F.B. with a key) alright. The transition took place circa 1924, when Louisa Borgel, the daughter of Francois Borgel, sold the company to Taubert.
    The Taubert family - watch case makers of Geneva, Switzerland
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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    Taubert & Fils. kept the Borgel logo (F.B. with a key) alright. The transition took place circa 1924, when Louisa Borgel, the daughter of Francois Borgel, sold the company to Taubert.
    The Taubert family - watch case makers of Geneva, Switzerland
    Thanks!

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    Re: New arrival vintage Novice

    Bunch of Novices!

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