No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

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    No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

    Hi, I came across with old Zenith pocket watch which I find quite interesting.

    Movement seems to be Zenith as it says so on the movement. However I'm still wondering is there something fishy with this because there is no Zenith text or logo on dial? Could it be that zenith movement was placed in another case at some point or did Zenith make watches also without any manufacturers markings on dials?

    Thanks if someone could help me with this!
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    Re: No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

    It's legit, they did that
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    Re: No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

    Thanks! Quite interesting that they did that. Does anyone know was it some certain time frame or some particular models when "Zenith" was left out of dials or was it done randomly?

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    Re: No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

    The company started life as "George Favre-Jacot" (the name of the owner and founder - until ca. 1900, it was required by Swiss law that a company was registered under the name of the owner). If there was a name on the dial, it would be "George Favre-Jacot" but "brand" names such as "Billodes", "Defi" and "Diogene" were also used.

    In 1897, a new range of pocket watch movements, called the "Zenith" range was introduced. Ultimately, this became the name of the company (in 1911, when GF-J retired and at which stage the requirement for the company to be registered under the name of the owner had been lifted). By that stage, Zenith watches had that name on the dial. Watches from around the turn of the century often lacked it but still had it engraved on the movement.

    Yours is a Cal. 278 A, by the way (proper designation 19'''-278 A or 20'''-278 A, depending on size).

    Hartmut Richter

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    Thanks once again!
    It's really fasinating to learn about these early 19th century watches.
    I do know that the value of old pocket watches isn't high and I'm not planning to sell it but just out of curiosity do you think it was worth of 80 euros? It's currently running and in working order.

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    Re: No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

    I bought today a simular one with exact this movement a silver case in very nice condition for 90 Euronen including transport ....it just has a "foreign" label on the movement but its definetly this one.

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    Good catch, I suppose. They did these with different labels for foreign markets did they?

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    Re: No logo on dial so is this Zenith pocket watch original or not?

    For contracts and of course if you produce luxory articles in the smal switzerland the most of your products are for the foreign market. Sellers have a stronger position and customer loyalty those times. Advertising did not float all households. Local "producer" sometimes want their mark on the movement even if it was complete a Zenith. Zenith or Georges Fare-Jacot were mostly unknown to the end customers or they want to hide that it wasn't a own product. I own earlier Zenith movements each with a dürstein, Union Holergre ,saxonia and or with a uranus mark to mention some of the more famous names.

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