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    Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    As title states.

    Was thinking Valjoux 72 but didnt that came out later? Or Venus 172?
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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    1. Please define 'no-name'.
    2. Please define 'best'.
    3. There was no 'Venus 172', to my best knowledge.

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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    Hi Tomcat,

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat1960 View Post
    Please define 'best'.
    A justifiable question, but I'm afraid it can't be answered.

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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi Tomcat,


    A justifiable question, but I'm afraid it can't be answered.

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    Which is precisely why I asked. If the OP shares his interpretation of 'best' with us, maybe we can help

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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat1960 View Post
    1. Please define 'no-name'.
    2. Please define 'best'.
    3. There was no 'Venus 172', to my best knowledge.

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    1. f.e. Chronographe Suisse, Universal Geneve etc.
    2. Highest accuracy and reliabilty seems a good denoter. Column Wheel mouvement probably.
    3. Meant the Venus 178. But this was late 50s correct?

    My questions is, are there hidden gems with nice column wheel movements, in the mess off Landeron 48 based chronographs from the 40s and 50s. In steel?
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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    Quote Originally Posted by Youmireme View Post
    1. f.e. Chronographe Suisse, Universal Geneve etc.
    2. Highest accuracy and reliabilty seems a good denoter. Column Wheel mouvement probably.
    3. Meant the Venus 178. But this was late 50s correct?

    My questions is, are there hidden gems with nice column wheel movements, in the mess off Landeron 48 based chronographs from the 40s and 50s. In steel?
    1. Under the Chronographe Suisse label you can find chronographs with the Venus 170 column-wheel movement too. And you better don't tell anyone that you deem 'Universal Geneve' as no-name, at your risk of being laughed at

    2. You're talking movements from a time when both accuracy and reliability were of paramount importance to watch buyers. So even "one from the mess of Landeron 48s" is perfectly capable of going very precise. It was made to do so.

    And column wheels are vastly overrated. They serve no other purpose than overcomplicating the production process of a chronograph movement, requiring an experienced watchmaker to be adjusted. A cam-operated movement works with prefabricated parts which fall into the right place and do the right things without this additional adjustment effort. This is why they were invented in the first place.

    Keep in mind, too, that the fabled 'moon watch' is cam-operated, too.

    3. Have a look here:

    Valjoux 72

    Venus 178

    According to these sources both were around in the 1940s.

    If you're searching for hidden column-wheel gems you'll end with ... of all brands ... Landeron again. In particular the Landeron 39 is as nice, precise, reliable as any other chronograph movement, but available at a fraction of their cost. Steel cases, by the way, were not very common in the 1940s, it took a lot of effort to make them and they were thus found only in high-end watches.


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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    well yeah I know but was talking about the small names. Not Zenith,Omega etc..
    Any particular steel cased gems that can be had for a decent price?

    So Landeron 39,VJ 72 and Venus 172 seems to be the top three? 'Depending on complications like triple date and phase de lune ofcourse´
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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    I got no idea what a "no name is"? Anonymous maker?
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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat1960 View Post
    1. Under the Chronographe Suisse label you can find chronographs with the Venus 170 column-wheel movement too. And you better don't tell anyone that you deem 'Universal Geneve' as no-name, at your risk of being laughed at
    Not by me. Universal made movements that were sold to Jaeger-LeCoultre and others. These usually had the "Jaeger" name only. Cases were inscribed "LeCoultre - Swiss Made", but some also were engraved "Enversteel" which was Universal's trademarked steel alloy. You can find some examples here:

    Small Chronograph #2: Jaeger-branded UG Ref 5184 | Omega Forums

    This makes Universal no different than Landeron, Venus or Valjoux when it comes to chronograph movements. It's just that the Universal also made these same watches under their own name, while the other companies didn't.

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    Re: Which 'No-Name' Chronograph 40s/50s was the best? Which movement was the best?

    Quote Originally Posted by gatorcpa View Post
    It's just that the Universal also made these same watches under their own name, while the other companies didn't.
    And this makes them not-so-no-name

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