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    Not sure on the halmarks...

    Have acquired a sterling cased Cyma... Will post more in depth about it later, but the marks are confusing.

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    a 'u' on the left and an 'h' in an oval on the right. The 'u' is for London and the little 'h' is the date... Yes? Is this 'h' then 1944 since 1924 is in a square?
    Refering to this site... London Hallmarks 9 - Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Insufficient resolution to say much but the case is not a 1944 vintage... 'h' is more likely a 1923 mark based on the cited table... and that fits the case and lug type much better.
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    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Quote Originally Posted by JackW View Post
    Have acquired a sterling cased Cyma... Will post more in depth about it later, but the marks are confusing.

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    a 'u' on the left and an 'h' in an oval on the right. The 'u' is for London and the little 'h' is the date... Yes? Is this 'h' then 1944 since 1924 is in a square?
    Refering to this site... London Hallmarks 9 - Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks

    Not a U - London is an inverted omega for the import mark.

    Double F inverted is the Glasgow import mark, which is what you have.

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    For Glasgow, h = 1930

    Seems about right.
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    I was worried about the resolution being an issue, but Trim is right. Thank you! It is the Glasglow city mark, not a 'u'.

    sheesh...
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Better image of the hallmarks which confirms what trim said...

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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Well seems no one has mentioned the SFC markings. That apparently is for Schwob Freres & Co.

    In looking up more info on Schwob Freres*, seems David Boettcher has thoughtfully researched this, elucidating the relationship between the case maker, the watch company and reasons why a Swiss case maker is registered via the Glasgow Assay Office. Cyma: Schwob Freres and Tavannes

    So, Cyma watch correctly paired with the Cyma (via Schwob Freres) case and then imported into the British market by way of Glasgow (Scotland!).

    I love what digging a bit deeper into a watch will reveal.

    *Seems they also made parts for artillery, explosive projectiles and hand grenades - LINK
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Quote Originally Posted by JackW View Post
    Well seems no one has mentioned the SFC markings. That apparently is for Schwob Freres & Co.

    Probably because we can't see that mark with any clarity in any of your photos, and you never mentioned them!
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbee View Post
    Probably because we can't see that mark with any clarity in any of your photos, and you never mentioned them!
    point taken...

    I do hate it when people post images that are not resized to fit within a reasonable screen resolution. I've gone too far the other way then.
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Here is a 1917 advert for a Tavannes/Cyma cushion case watch.





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    Cheers, Bob.
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    Re: Not sure on the halmarks...

    Awesome! I've been doing some internet sleuthing trying to find patent or advertising info for the watch case and coming up short. That copy of the advert is much appreciated. Cheers!
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