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    Old Ancre watch questions for you - guys and girls

    Hi,
    i like the old look at this Ancre watch and i want to have him reconditioned. Do you know something about it? year, history... i know it's old and ugly, but i like it :d




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    I do not thin 'ANCRE' is the name of manufacturer but the type of escapement, that is a lever (detached). 'ancre' means 'anchor' and to some a lever escapement pallet looks like an anchor
    swiss made watch 1920s
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    It actually is a trademark, on Mikrolisk. Picard freres, registered in 1898.
    I would put this great little watch in the mid to late thirties, maybe a little later.
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    Thank you. So you're saying that this Watch is not Ancre and it's from the

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorneliusT View Post
    Thank you. So you're saying that this Watch is not Ancre and it's from the
    '20s. I forgot to type "20's".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorneliusT View Post
    Thank you. So you're saying that this Watch is not Ancre and it's from the
    Well I think we do not know
    I am suggesting that it is like the jewel count and the type of escapement.
    While member Bobbee, thinks its a trademark of Picard Freres.

    I checked the 'bible' of Swiss Watchmakers by Kathleen Pritchard and could find no evidence to that (Ancre)

    So in 'my' opinion the jury is still out.
    I still think watch is from the 20s, possible early 30s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Well I think we do not know
    I am suggesting that it is like the jewel count and the type of escapement.
    While member Bobbee, thinks its a trademark of Picard Freres.

    I checked the 'bible' of Swiss Watchmakers by Kathleen Pritchard and could find no evidence to that (Ancre)

    So in 'my' opinion the jury is still out.
    I still think watch is from the 20s, possible early 30s.

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    thank you for your time and efort :) i'm glad i have something to start with.i'll keep searching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorneliusT View Post
    thank you for your time and efort :) i'm glad i have something to start with.i'll keep searching.
    Pleasure
    You have two ideas to start with.
    Narrowing down, if either is correct becomes more difficult.
    Just enjoy your watch
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    Re: Old Ancre watch questions for you - guys and girls

    This "shape" of watch case does look younger then the 20's; the fixed lugs look like they were soldered onto a more standard 30's or 40's watch case after the fact; this wasn't uncommon for people who went off to WWII with their own watches and wanted the lugs to be a bit more sturdy. The case is a three-piece design where the movement is inserted from the frount and securied with case screws; that design was used less and less as time went on, so that suggests older. The number style on the dial is kinda 20's-ish, but I'm not a font expert.

    The movement is devoid of markings and the dial has (to my eye) no country of origin, which means that it wasn't (for example) imported into England or the U.S. Suggests strongly that it was made (or finished at least) in France or Germany and sold domestically. Could even be domestic swiss, although by the 30's I think even the domestic watches had "swiss" on the dial. The term "rubies" also tends to suggest european sale. "Ancre", as Adam noted, was often used as a description of the type of escapement on pocket watches at the turn of the century, but that wouldn't have been much of a differentiator by the 30's; there were still a few cylinders kicking around, but most watches would have been at least pin-levers (and pin-levers often shared the "anchor" look, depending on the maker). The use of knife-edge screws to secure the dial feet and the single-point click are "older" design characteristic not found as frequently as the industry advanced into the 30's and 40's. The most interesting feature (from an identification perspective) is the location of the hairspring terminal on the actual body of the balance cock; that's an unusual design that makes me think this is the output of a small watch company. That can skew identification via design, as a small company would be more likely to retain older design elements.

    All in all, I think Adam's guess on age is a bit more likely for this watch, but Ancre probably was a tradename.
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    Re: Old Ancre watch questions for you - guys and girls

    Cylinders lasted much longer in Germany than the rest of Europe and M&ST didn't switch over production from them to pin lever until the latter half of the thirties. They too continued that style of dial foot retention. We should bear in mind that calibres could remain in production fur long periods of time so older designs were found much later than we might expect.

    Overall style for me is thirties rather than twenties.
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