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    Old Mido with a FE 5612

    Hi all,

    I have a Mido Chronometer Commander with a FE 5612 movement. Is the movement original? It fits the case perfectly, so I am not sure if it is a wrong movement. The watch also runs very accurately.

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    Zhang
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    Re: Old Mido with a FE 5612

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    FE 5612? Ranfft doesn't have anything with the 5612 name, nor does he have anything with the FE prefix...

    Is it a Felsa?

    Basically,though, if it fits, then it is most likely original. I find that you can usually spot a Frankenwatch when the movement fits poorly. Matching the movement to the face isn't that difficult, but usually means some butchery on the back of the face. If you take a look there that might help find out if it is a Frankenwatch...

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    Re: Old Mido with a FE 5612

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    Hi -

    FE 5612? Ranfft doesn't have anything with the 5612 name, nor does he have anything with the FE prefix...

    Is it a Felsa?

    Basically,though, if it fits, then it is most likely original. I find that you can usually spot a Frankenwatch when the movement fits poorly. Matching the movement to the face isn't that difficult, but usually means some butchery on the back of the face. If you take a look there that might help find out if it is a Frankenwatch...

    JohnF

    Hi,

    Thanks.

    It is very strage ,but it is a FE(French ebauche) 5612 with that sign around the FE. It looks original for the watch. The dial has two pins that fit into the movement, and the size is right for that special case. It would be very difficult for anyone to find such a perfect, yet obscure movement for this watch IMO. But who knows?This maybe a very early MIDO chronometer of this design. It is a pain to get the movement out, and I put it in a Chinese S/S case before I can find a MIDO case.

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    Re: Old Mido with a FE 5612

    Hi Zhang,

    no idea, what happened to that watch. The Flume K3 register contains the
    day/date calibre Jeambrun 3612. Jeambrun was a member of the FE group,
    and as the register Flume K3 only contains records up to 1972, I suspect
    the 5612 is a redesign of the mid seventies.

    It was not unusual in that time, to give a movement the same dial foot print
    as the contemporary equvalent ETA movements (2836 in this case),
    allowing watch factories to create cheaper models using the same dials.

    However, I'm pretty sure that no younger Jeambrun movement had
    chronometer capability.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Old Mido with a FE 5612

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi Zhang,

    no idea, what happened to that watch. The Flume K3 register contains the
    day/date calibre Jeambrun 3612. Jeambrun was a member of the FE group,
    and as the register Flume K3 only contains records up to 1972, I suspect
    the 5612 is a redesign of the mid seventies.

    It was not unusual in that time, to give a movement the same dial foot print
    as the contemporary equvalent ETA movements (2836 in this case),
    allowing watch factories to create cheaper models using the same dials.

    However, I'm pretty sure that no younger Jeambrun movement had
    chronometer capability.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Hi Roland ranfft,

    Thanks. Now I begin to believe this is a wrong movement. It seems not as accurate as my ETA 2873. I saw a manual ETA 2873 on your movement database. But mine is a 25 jewels automatic one. Is this the same movement with some automatic components?

    Kind Regards

    Zhang

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    Re: Old Mido with a FE 5612

    Hi Zhang,

    there is indeed some confusion in the numbering of the 287X family. Some
    registers state the 2872 and 2873 to be manual wind movements, some as
    automatics.

    As ETA gave until now no definite informations, I just can describe the
    movements I got on my table. Both, the 2872 and the 2873 have the
    signature on a place which would be invisible with a mounted automatic
    assembly, and both have a winding bridge without bearings for the
    automatic gear. So they are not simply stripped automatics, and I'm pretty
    sure that these movements are genuine ETA products.

    However, all 287X movements have the same base plate, and as the
    production volume was not as high as for any other ETA calibre, ETA
    probably mixed the plates.

    Maybe I should add a comment referring this confusion im my archive.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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