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    Old timer observations about robbery

    Fairly well known as owner of good stuff so I make it known it is available during banking hours only, even to me, except when in use, or otherwise shown to known appreciators. A robber could easily get me to open a safe. Just sensible, even in an area fairly secure compared to most other parts of the world.

    Visited a known trader in fine jewelry and American indian antiques. Not a store front dealer.
    He had several rooms in the secure wholesale diamond and jeweler building and several big safes. But also very cautiously placed a loaded revolver on the desk top when showing a fine repeater p.w. he had advertised. I was not offended by the gun, just his price. Cannot be too careful. Enjoyed an enthusistic showing and explanations of busted arrows, cracked pots and actual petrified indian excrement priced higher than many fine watches. I guess old indian crap is rarer.

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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    I have not gone to the extent of getting a safe deposit box. I have too many watches -- none are of great value (I'm cheap) but, when taken as a whole, represent nice, mostly vintage collection. But a year or so ago I stopped displaying them and built a secure refuge for them. I miss my display. I loved just looking and handling them occasionally... but now dogs (the smallest of which is a pit bull) and physical security measures protect them. Even then determined thieves could probably get them... but it would take them a while and when you are doing home burglaries, time is not on your side.

    Armed robbery is another matter. With sufficient force, robbers can get me to cooperate too. But the resident dogs can not be made to cooperate... and they greet all strangers at the door... well, they greet them when they walk past the house, when they drive past the house, and sometimes the dogs, especially the The Great Pyrenees (the world's best guard dog breed), just announce their presence for no reason apparent to me.

    Protection is done in layers. While nothing removes all risk, the more layers you have, the more risk reduction you have.

    I think I have reduced risk to a level appropriate to the value of my collection. All members should do an evaluation of their own situation and take appropriate steps.

    BTW, I suspect the robbers will be surprised at the full court press CID gives Mike's case (for a variety of reasons I can't go into here). But hoped for recovery is not as good as prevention.
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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    You are certainly minimizing risk and it is a bother to isolate to the bank interesting objects. So I do risk one or 2 things occasionally. I really am appalled at the robbery you reported, and as everyone, strongly disturbed about it. Because of the quality of the Stuffler collection, was it targeted? If so, it would seem to be a contracted hit and watches will not show up with dealers or public sales.

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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    If the robbers will be identified and found. Sometimes you better not show what you have because it can motivate the robbers to get into your house.
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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    Astute observation. Hopefully time will reveal the truth. I suspect this is one of CID's hot cases.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    I feel stupid, as I do not understand the first part of the original post.

    To display a loaded gun seems a bit excesive to me. Cameras, locked front door is sufficient.

    Does he realise that the gun can be turned agains him?

    If I put my hand in the pocket (to get some chewing gum, or check my vibrating phone), will I find myself standingwith a muzzle poking out my eye?

    Because that is the only way he can prevent a robbery. If he does not do that, he is toast. If I have a gun in my pocketand I draw it, there is no chance he can reach over, take his gun, aim and cock.
    For most semi trained people, to pull a gun, cock & aim can be done in less than 2 seconds, counting from the time when I have pulled it from the pocket and it becomes visible.

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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    Quote Originally Posted by artb View Post
    and actual petrified indian excrement priced higher than many fine watches. I guess old indian crap is rarer.
    Thats expensive sh#t. Safety is important, but there are always risks. It's finding the right balance.. extra safety costs money too.

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    I agree that the brandishing of a revolver is a bit excessive, but I'd at least have one concealed on me or near me the whole time. (Better to have it and NOT need it.....) I've been in shops with several armed employees and it always puts me at ease. I've only been in two situations I was glad to be packing(and NOT needing it, though).

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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    I reassert, defense is in layers. But those that use deadly force as their first line of defense are probably ill prepared.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Old timer observations about robbery

    I'm sorry, but reading this makes me glad I live in a country with strict gun control.

    A loaded revolver as a prerequisite for commerce? Feeling better when armed employees hang around? Seriously!

    Seems we live on different planets.

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