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    Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    Hi all,

    I've posted this topic in another forum elsewhere but I thought I'd post it here too as I'm curious to get more views on this:

    I'm an avid trench watch collector specifically of Dennison cased walthams (being from the UK this should come as no surprise) and I believe I've recently acquired something extraordinaryily special, but I wanted to run it past you guys before I get too excited over nothing.

    If my knowledge is correct Dennison cased trench watches dating from 1913 are pretty rare, but I believe I have a dennison trench watch case dating to 1912!! This is the earliest Dennison trench watch case I've ever come across and proves that the Waltham movement and case were born together.

    It features a triple hinged case that I've never seen before on a sterling silver dennison trench case, with two hinges for the back and one hinge for the bezel. It also seems to still have the original gold crown! Luckily English watch cases have to be hallmarked, and as you can see the hallmark 'n' assayed in Birmingham dates the case to 1912. Anyway enough of me rambling, take a look for yourselves and let me know what you think.

    Martin

    P.S Last question: Are the watch hands on this watch original or replacements? I can't make my mind up if they should be spade and whip hands or another type entirely.

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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    Hi and welcome
    Actually looks even earlier to me
    Seem London "n" = 1908/9
    That is MIGHTY early, pushing into the earliest known wristwatch
    Quite a find - FANTASTIC
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    EDIT, as pointed out its Birmingham so 1912/1913
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    I don't know much about trench watches but that is a great find! The early date and overall good condition make it special. The hour and minute hands do not seem to match, one of them might be a replacement.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Hi and welcome
    Actually looks even earlier to me
    Seem London "n" = 1908/9
    That is MIGHTY early, pushing into the earliest known wristwatch
    Quite a find - FANTASTIC
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    Actually the watch is hallmarked Birmingham (not London) 1912.

    Kind regards

    Aditya

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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    I`ve seen the one plume,one spade hand as a pair quite a few times before,and i think its a matching set,but i can`t say that with any veracity as i haven`t been interested in trench watches as long as i have been interested in more recent vintage,if get my drift.
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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    Totally correct hands (edit-minute hand incorrect), and dates to 1912 as Aditya and you yourself say it's from Birmingham assay office.

    Here are some early (1915-1916) ads from England.



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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    Quote Originally Posted by aditya View Post
    I don't know much about trench watches but that is a great find! The early date and overall good condition make it special. The hour and minute hands do not seem to match, one of them might be a replacement.



    Actually the watch is hallmarked Birmingham (not London) 1912.

    Kind regards

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    Correct, did not see that on the back cover, I looked at the cuvee .
    Thanks 1912/13.
    Probably both hands are replacement, surely minute hand is not original, as you can see from the adverts.
    Still very early.
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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    sure a replacement but are paired. also used in the pocket watches of the Italian railways.

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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    I would expect a pair like this (image borrowed from the net). But, as I mentioned, I do not know much about trench watches.

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    Aditya

    Edit: What I mean to say is that I would expect an hour hand like the one in my image with a minute hand like on the OP's watch.

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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    Here is my 1920 Eterna Sterling Silver Trench Watch. I have several others, some without maker info. I can post images if interested.
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    Re: Oldest Verifiable Waltham Trench Watch??

    Another nice piece
    Movement is very clean.
    How did you date it?
    1910 I think starts 1,500,000
    See here
    Triple Time

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