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    Omega Pie Pan Connies Cal.

    Could you please advise me on the differences between cal. 503, 504, 505, 551, 561 and 564 for Pie Pan Connies ? Thanks.

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    Re: Omega Pie Pan Connies Cal.

    You can find some info on Ranttf archive

    503: 19/20 jewels, date
    504: 24 jewels, date, chronometer
    505: 24 jewels, chronometer
    551: 24 jewels, chronometer
    561: 24 jewels, date, chronometer
    564: 24 jewels, quickset date, chronometer
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    Quality and performance the same please ?

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    Re: Omega Pie Pan Connies Cal.

    They are all chronometers, aside from the 503, and as such must fulfill the criteria described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COSC

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    Thank you all !

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    Re: Omega Pie Pan Connies Cal.

    Quote Originally Posted by laikrodukas View Post
    You can find some info on Ranttf archive

    503: 19/20 jewels, date
    504: 24 jewels, date, chronometer
    505: 24 jewels, chronometer
    551: 24 jewels, chronometer
    561: 24 jewels, date, chronometer
    564: 24 jewels, quickset date, chronometer
    503 - Non chronometer calendar movement, should not be in Constellation case.
    504 - Chronometer version of cal. 503. Most parts are the same.
    505 - Same as cal. 504, except not a calendar movement.
    551 - Post-1959 Constellation movement without calendar
    561 - Same as cal. 551, but has calendar without "push-pull" date
    564 - Same as cal. 561, except with "push-pull" quick-set date.

    Hope this helps,
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    Re: Omega Pie Pan Connies Cal.

    Quote Originally Posted by gatorcpa View Post
    503 - Non chronometer calendar movement, should not be in Constellation case.
    504 - Chronometer version of cal. 503. Most parts are the same.
    505 - Same as cal. 504, except not a calendar movement.
    551 - Post-1959 Constellation movement without calendar
    561 - Same as cal. 551, but has calendar without "push-pull" date
    564 - Same as cal. 561, except with "push-pull" quick-set date.

    Hope this helps,
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    The calibre 503 was used in the Constellation line- at least according to the list of Constellation calibres on Desmond's (mondodec) Omega Constellation Collectors blog. Here's a link to this list:
    http://users.tpg.com.au/mondodec/calibres.pdf
    Nevertheless, he describes it as "problematic because of the Seamaster connection". Therefore, when a 503 is seen in a Constellation, it might appear suspicious- doesn't mean that it's wrong, of course, but I'd interpret that caveat as "caution advised".
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    Re: Omega Pie Pan Connies Cal.

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    Therefore, when a 503 is seen in a Constellation, it might appear suspicious- doesn't mean that it's wrong, of course, but I'd interpret that caveat as "caution advised".
    I have never seen one on a Constellation case that wasn't an obvious Frankenwatch. There are a lot of things that Omega did with early chronometers that weren't necessarily sold to the public. For instance there were 1,000 consecutively numbered cal. 352 chronometer movements that were certified in 1949. However, I've yet to see even one of these in an actual watch:

    Omega History Making Movement

    So I wouldn't touch a cal. 503 Constellation unless it came with ironclad factory provenance.
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    Cool ! Thanks.

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    Is there a similar blog on Seamaster Collectors please ?

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